Government Shut-Down Thread

[Deleted User 75]

Not scumbags, just duped.

He's definitely problematic as hell. But like someone said yesterday, impossible to know what would've happened with the alternative choice....so who knows.

I'm certainly not happy with how the current president is handling a lot of things. And I won't attempt to make excuses for trump's actions over this shutdown....none of our leaders are doing what's best for the American people right now. Right. Left. Middle. Inexcusable imo.

I do not have a problem with how Pelosi and Schumer are handling these negotiations at all. I feel that what they are offering is in the best interest of the american people. The only way you think it isn't is if you believe the bullshit narratives originating from the White House.

Sounds like you are only believing the lefts bullshit narratives.

Schumer and Pelosi are cringe worthy. Standing there staring into the camera like robots...doing the same thing the president does, and that's peddle fear to their base.

And you can hardly call what's going on right now as negotiations...and most blame for that is on the president, no doubt....but going on TV and doing/saying what they've been isn't helping. It's just making things worse on the people they're supposed to represent. It's all political BS as usual.

Kasich was on yesterday and had some good compromise ideas. Make a deal (give in) on DACA and some of the other stuff, and adjust the desires of what "a wall" means. Do some barriers where needed, improve technology with drones/cell towers/etc, more staffing, more ways to legally enter, etc.

It shouldn't be THIS hard.

Problem is that the president doesn't seem to realize that Pelosi doesn't work for him. She's not hurting her political position at all by letting this drag on. He's not going to be able to bully his way to a deal.

[Deleted User 89]

i do think, with high probability, that we’d be better off on a number of fronts had hillary been elected...namely, the environment, our standing on the global stage, and a less-devisive electorate. ANYONE (other than maybe david duke) would’ve handled charlottesville better. most ANYONE with any decency would’ve refrained from disparaging the families of our own veterans, or mocking disabled people.

I think the electorate would be even more divided. Cotton and Gowdy would have had never ending email hearings.

political division, maybe

i was thinking racial/ethnic division

[ousdahl]

Compared to this president’s scandals and investigations, emails just sound so boring.

[ousdahl]

Ohh!

Trump just said that he never said that Mexico would pay for the wall.

[Deleted User 62]

Ohh!

Trump just said that he never said that Mexico would pay for the wall.

JFC

[twocoach]

sadly, the environmental “stuff” is the most important and difficult to remedy

Yes. Agreed. But also the hardest to do quick damage to in 4 years. He can't fuck the environment up THAT bad. A lot of the stuff he's rolled back can be reimplemented the minute he's gone.

False. It takes one minute to dump a bunch of shit into the air and/or water. It's the effects of those instantaneous actions that will take a long time to see.

[Deleted User 62]

sadly, the environmental “stuff” is the most important and difficult to remedy

Yes. Agreed. But also the hardest to do quick damage to in 4 years. He can't fuck the environment up THAT bad. A lot of the stuff he's rolled back can be reimplemented the minute he's gone.

Dumbest thing you have said today.

[twocoach]

He's definitely problematic as hell. But like someone said yesterday, impossible to know what would've happened with the alternative choice....so who knows.

I'm certainly not happy with how the current president is handling a lot of things. And I won't attempt to make excuses for trump's actions over this shutdown....none of our leaders are doing what's best for the American people right now. Right. Left. Middle. Inexcusable imo.

I do not have a problem with how Pelosi and Schumer are handling these negotiations at all. I feel that what they are offering is in the best interest of the american people. The only way you think it isn't is if you believe the bullshit narratives originating from the White House.

Sounds like you are only believing the lefts bullshit narratives.

Schumer and Pelosi are cringe worthy. Standing there staring into the camera like robots...doing the same thing the president does, and that's peddle fear to their base.

And you can hardly call what's going on right now as negotiations...and most blame for that is on the president, no doubt....but going on TV and doing/saying what they've been isn't helping. It's just making things worse on the people they're supposed to represent. It's all political BS as usual.

Kasich was on yesterday and had some good compromise ideas. Make a deal (give in) on DACA and some of the other stuff, and adjust the desires of what "a wall" means. Do some barriers where needed, improve technology with drones/cell towers/etc, more staffing, more ways to legally enter, etc.

It shouldn't be THIS hard.

Problem is that the president doesn't seem to realize that Pelosi doesn't work for him. She's not hurting her political position at all by letting this drag on. He's not going to be able to bully his way to a deal.

Your problem is that you only focus on the appearance of things. Who gives a shit what they "look like". Memes and gifs impact your opinion of what is going on far too much. Read print instead of looking at pictures for a change.

The Dems have been focusing on getting the govt back open as they properly should. That is the shark closest to the boat. More tham a million people are impacted and that will grow exponentially as folks submit their tax forms hoping to get their tax returns.

And they have been repeatedly offering a package of money to address border issues but McConnell blows it off because of the toddler in charge.

[twocoach]

sadly, the environmental “stuff” is the most important and difficult to remedy

Yes. Agreed. But also the hardest to do quick damage to in 4 years. He can't fuck the environment up THAT bad. A lot of the stuff he's rolled back can be reimplemented the minute he's gone.

Dumbest thing you have said today.

Agreed. Totally oblivious.

[Deleted User 89]

sadly, the environmental “stuff” is the most important and difficult to remedy

Yes. Agreed. But also the hardest to do quick damage to in 4 years. He can't fuck the environment up THAT bad. A lot of the stuff he's rolled back can be reimplemented the minute he's gone.

False. It takes one minute to dump a bunch of shit into the air and/or water. It's the effects of those instantaneous actions that will take a long time to see.

and while drumpf’s had a direct hand, much of the damage comes from changes in the EPA and their approach. fortunately, Pruitt is out (scandal, go figure), but the second in charge there isn’t much better

a separate, but related issue, is the formerly regulated now being the regulators because drumpf did the exact opposite of draining the swamp...

[jhawks99]

Ohh!

Trump just said that he never said that Mexico would pay for the wall.

Are you serious. I knew that was coming.

[ousdahl]

Say what?

[Deleted User 75]

What am I totally oblivious to?

Please enlighten me...what environmental regulations that have been rolled back are going to irreversibly ruin the planet in the next 2 years before they can be reimplenented?

I've seen some that are troubling...but will there be significant damage before his time is up? A lot of the stuff he rolled back hadn't been implemented for very long, right?

Not trying to argue, I'm asking a genuine question...so save the insults. Some of us aren't know it alls.

[twocoach]

What am I totally oblivious to?

Please enlighten me...what environmental regulations that have been rolled back are going to irreversibly ruin the planet in the next 2 years before they can be reimplenented?

I've seen some that are troubling...but will there be significant damage before his time is up? A lot of the stuff he rolled back hadn't been implemented for very long, right?

Not trying to argue, I'm asking a genuine question...so save the insults. Some of us aren't know it alls.

Www.google.com

[twocoach]

Look for statements like "The EPA is also easing acceptable pollution standards for four substances in its groundwater monitoring requirements of coal ash: cobalt, lithium, molybdenum and lead."

You know, the shit that kills people when it gets in their drinking water.

[Deleted User 75]

Shocking response. Like most of your responses. (You added 1 response with info, thanks)

For example: I make a post with some stuff Kasich suggested above and instead of response about that, you tell me I'm influenced by memes/gifs....with really no way to know that (it's false).... and then regurgitate the Dems narrative you've heard....you says Dems are closest shark to the boat (whatever that means), while completely ignoring that many/most republicans are also wanting this shutdown to end.

Trump won't give. Schumer/Pelosi won't give. That's not negotiating on either side. That's powerful people playing a political game because NONE of them give a shit about the everyday Americans THEY are hurting.

[Deleted User 75]

Look for statements like "The EPA is also easing acceptable pollution standards for four substances in its groundwater monitoring requirements of coal ash: cobalt, lithium, molybdenum and lead."

You know, the shit that kills people when it gets in their drinking water.

So easing standards....something that can be reimplemented when he's out of office in 2 years?

Not making an excuse, because I wouldn't agree with doing that....but is it something that can be mostly fixed or reversed if we get him out of office next election?

[twocoach]

Requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emmissions leaks - overturned

EPA ends "once in, always in" policy of Clean Air Act. Toxic emmissions into air will now increase.

Just do a little research. Theres plenty more examples. I just need to get some actual work done for a bit.

[twocoach]

Look for statements like "The EPA is also easing acceptable pollution standards for four substances in its groundwater monitoring requirements of coal ash: cobalt, lithium, molybdenum and lead."

You know, the shit that kills people when it gets in their drinking water.

So easing standards....something that can be reimplemented when he's out of office in 2 years?

Not making an excuse, because I wouldn't agree with doing that....but is it something that can be mostly fixed or reversed if we get him out of office next election?

The paperwork/policy stuff can.be fixed quickly, AKA the appearance. The impacts are not reversible.

Go ask Flint if their change to their water treatment procedures reversed the impacts of the problem. Well, go ask the people who arent dead.

[Deleted User 75]

Flint crisis started in 2014.