2022 CBB Season
- NewtonHawk11
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The stats and analytics have not been a big fan of their team. And over the long run, those are usually correct. They were hot early on, now they are struggling. 5-4 over the last 9 games. Not ideal.
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Also, (1) would be nice to have the Colorado win, and (2) lol at North Texas being Q1 and Mizzou being Q3.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pmOk, but.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
- CrimsonNBlue
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Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pmOk, but.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
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I get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pmGiven Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pmOk, but.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
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Kansas and Gonzaga have the same number of Quad 1 wins.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:14 pmI think this as well. I’m also not sure winning the PAC 12 would/should do it for Arizona. Particularly if we will have picked up another win over Tech.
Also - and I know I’m not allowed to question the narrative - our wins would be miles and miles and miles better than Gonzaga’s.
Gonzaga's best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#8 Texas Tech
#12 UCLA
#18 Texas
#19 Saint Mary's (2 times)
#24 San Francisco (3 times)
Kansas' best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#5 Baylor
#8 Texas Tech
#18 Texas
#37 Michigan State
#38 Oklahoma
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We have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pmI get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pmGiven Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pm
Ok, but.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
- NewtonHawk11
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I think if Kentucky wins 2 games this weekend, they’re on the 1 line.
Best case scenario for Kansas, tbh
Best case scenario for Kansas, tbh
“I don’t remember anything he said, but it was a very memorable speech.” Julian Wright on a speech Michael Jordan gave to a group he was in
"But don’t ever get it twisted, it’s Rock Chalk forever." MG
"But don’t ever get it twisted, it’s Rock Chalk forever." MG
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Yeah, I do not want them to be our #2 seed. But right now I am still worried about our 2nd and 3rd round match ups.NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:01 pm I think if Kentucky wins 2 games this weekend, they’re on the 1 line.
Best case scenario for Kansas, tbh
- KUTradition
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i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
#aintskeerd
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Yeah, we’ll I’m just a fan. They completely exposed us. Horrible matchup. Give me the easiest road possible.KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:12 pm i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
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Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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This does not make any sense, if you think about it.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:52 pmWe have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pmI get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pm
Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
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Yeah, nope, sorry, not buying that St. Mary's and San Francisco would be better in the B1G than Michigan State, or in the Big 12 than Oklahoma.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:49 pmKansas and Gonzaga have the same number of Quad 1 wins.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:14 pmI think this as well. I’m also not sure winning the PAC 12 would/should do it for Arizona. Particularly if we will have picked up another win over Tech.
Also - and I know I’m not allowed to question the narrative - our wins would be miles and miles and miles better than Gonzaga’s.
Gonzaga's best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#8 Texas Tech
#12 UCLA
#18 Texas
#19 Saint Mary's (2 times)
#24 San Francisco (3 times)
Kansas' best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#5 Baylor
#8 Texas Tech
#18 Texas
#37 Michigan State
#38 Oklahoma
I think there is a lot of circularity to the NET.
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Which part, that Gonzaga has played in an easy conference and has the same number of Q1 wins as the winner of the toughest conference in America?
Here's the breakdown of Gonzaga and Kansas' NET rankings
https://bballnet.com/teams/gonzaga
https://bballnet.com/teams/kansas
There are a number of Big 12 teams who are ranked just high enough that beating them on the road still counts as a Quad 1 win even though beating them at home is only a Quad 2 win (Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma, Okie State) while Gonzaga benefited tremendously from teams like Saint Mary's and San Francisco being just good enough to count as a Quad 1 win both home, road and neutral.
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A win at KSU counting as a Q1 win tells me the whole quad system is a fucking joke.
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…if two teams have the same number of Q1 wins, then I think it makes perfect sense to look at Q2 wins as a next line in the comparison.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:18 pmWhich part, that Gonzaga has played in an easy conference and has the same number of Q1 wins as the winner of the toughest conference in America?
Here's the breakdown of Gonzaga and Kansas' NET rankings
https://bballnet.com/teams/gonzaga
https://bballnet.com/teams/kansas
There are a number of Big 12 teams who are ranked just high enough that beating them on the road still counts as a Quad 1 win even though beating them at home is only a Quad 2 win (Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma, Okie State) while Gonzaga benefited tremendously from teams like Saint Mary's and San Francisco being just good enough to count as a Quad 1 win both home, road and neutral.
- randylahey
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I would too. but preferably not see them in our bracket, so final 4 matchup. just to see how far this team has come since thenKUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:12 pm i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
but I think they are a bad match up for us. and would be one of the hardest teams for us to beat. but if you wanna win a title you gotta beat whoever
- randylahey
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If KU loses tonight I think we are still a 1 seed. maybe the 4th 1 seed though. we just had too many good wins against a tough schedule
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