Evil Rich People

[ousdahl]

i would like someone to share their secret to "living w/out working." there are millions of them out there doing it.

My guess is, either they’re in a position to exploit the labor value of those actually doing the work, and/or they just inherited more than they’ll ever need.

i would like to live w/out working. who wouldn't.

We can only imagine the amount of shit the boards would have given if Qusdahl said this.

[ousdahl]

Didn’t “pandemic relief insurance” end like last summer? And only if one was even still eligible, at that?

And traditional unemployment tends to be limited, and be worth only a fraction of the peanuts you can make actually working.

it’s less suppling the gummint teat (unless you the Bills), and more things like retirement, or you just moved on to a better job, or it just makes more financial sense to stay home with yer kids, or your workforce was likely among the million-plus who have died, etc.

So yeah, sorry HyVee, it’s less that “people just simply see it being beneath them to work at the retail stores,” and more that people simply see it being beneath them to work for the shit wages offered.

Or rather, if actually competitive living wages WERE offered, maybe even people would no longer view retail work as being beneath them

unemployment is limited

the rhetoric lasts forever

At least in CO, the amount of unemployment insurance one is eligible to receive is no more than half of what they made at their last job, capped off at something like $600 per bi-weekly pay period. It requires you to show proof of 5 new job applications or contacts a week, and if you receive a job offer, you get kicked off unemployment.

And yet the rhetoric makes it sound like there are freeloaders somehow pocketing vast sums of gummint handouts, no questions asked…what do they think they are, a corporation or something?

[japhy]

there is a lot of jobs out there. too bad ain't no one getting off the couch and out the front door to fill those open spots.

for the life of me i cannot figure out how all the non working folks are paying the mortgage and car payment and buying groceries and generally just staying above water without a paying position.

I swear to god, lots of R-leaning-leadership companies must be flooding the zone with $8/hour jobs nobody in their right mind would take, just so the rubes can suck at this narrative's tit.

I have read a bit more about this situation from local news reporting in Iowa. It seems that there is a State law that requires employers who lay off more than 25 employees to notify the State unemployment office of such events. Technically HyVee only laid off 19 employees because they offered the rest another position, even if it was lower pay and reduction of benefits. So his jackass statement may be corporate kabuki theater. With low unemployment rates and demand for tech people these former employees will undoubtably find good jobs elsewhere.

But there is price to pay at these businesses that have a boom/bust hiring strategy. I see it in engineering, the big energy firms are notorious for hiring hundreds as they take on a big project. Then they lay off hundreds when the job is complete. Every cycle they have to pay more and more outrageous salaries to get bodies at the desks. And more and more we hire those folks when they lay them off, and they never go back to short term high pay jobs.

If you are in a high demand field like IT, at some point many realize over time that job stability is a big thing. They find a good place and stick. It would be interesting to know how many of the IT people they kept find new jobs over the course of the next year. This is when the best employees update their resumes and start looking, they have just been told by the CEO that HyVee does not value their employees. It will get harder to hire employees at the corporate offices in the near future as well.

A recent comment overheard at a dinner to introduce a new college president. When the new president came in he cut adjuncts pay and they no longer pay for time spent at faculty meetings or when answering students questions, just the time spent online teaching the class. The new president says "we can't find enough adjuncts, people just don't want to work any more." One of the employees at his table has a husband who was formerly an adjunct at the college. Her husband now works remote as an adjunct professor for other colleges, at 50% higher pay and better benefits. People are happy to work, it's just that no one wants to work for a dickhead with an attitude like yours. Their teacher shortage isn't going to get better.

[japhy]

i would like someone to share their secret to "living w/out working." there are millions of them out there doing it.

i would like to live w/out working. who wouldn't.

First, you should get in a catastrophic vehicular accident. Something that causes you to lose function in all of your limbs would be a good start. A brain injury would be helpful as well, but you may already have that. Next spend all of your savings paying off medical bills and lose your housing.

You will then be eligible for gubbermint assistance for the rest of your life. Who wouldn't want to live that way?

[ousdahl]

Ha, Slippin’ Jimmy with some savage advice.

I’ll add, try to make sure that vehicular accident is the fault of someone driving like, a late model German sedan. Or better yet, an Italian sports car.

[japhy]

Another great idea for you Mich; about 770,000 troops returning from Iraq/Afghanistan receive disability pay for mental and physical disabilities as a result of their service. Maybe you could enlist when the next war starts and volunteer to work on a burn pit or defuse mines. Those folks probably live high on the hog with their $3500/month disability payments.

That works out to about $20/hr and they don't have to flip burgers at Micky D's to get it!

Of course many of them couldn't flip a burger, but hey; freeloaders can't be choosers.

[jfish26]

one of these on every street corner:

Help Wanted
Now Hiring

Just look out your window.

This is not evidence of people choosing not to work.

This is evidence of people choosing not to work for the people putting these signs on street corners.

[ousdahl]

[MICHHAWK]

no one has yet to explain how all these people from the great resignation are paying their bills.

[KUTradition]

ask your sewing circle

[japhy]

no one has yet to explain how all these people from the great resignation are paying their bills.

It has been explained many times. They left their shitty jobs and took better jobs vacated by the large numbers of people retiring, and better jobs created by the growing economy, and taking better paying jobs vacated by the nearly one million who died from covid. Unemployment is under 4% nationally.

I will say this slowly; they are paying their bills with the money they are making at their new better jobs. If they were still "unemployed" the numbers would be higher.

Folks moved on, you should too.

The people sitting at home doing nothing and living off the fat of the government handouts are mostly inside the void in your head being filled by FOXNews.

[MICHHAWK]

if it was only that cut and dry.

[MICHHAWK]

all those:

waitresses
bartenders,
cooks
warehouse workers
shift workers
cashiers
drive thru jockeys
etc etc

all left their positions to take better jobs as:

coders
IT Professionals
managers
doctors
lawyers
master electricians
FBI agents
sustainability experts
etc etc

got it. thanks for clearing that up.

[PhDhawk]

Mich: America's the greatest country in the world.

People actually achieve the American dream (take an entry level job, then upwardly move to a more successful career)
Also Mich: Bullshit!

[ousdahl]

If only employers’s staffing strategies would focus more on paying the wages the market demands, and less on crossing their fingers that workers get desperate cuz of things like higher gas prices.

And let’s not forget how quickly these employers laid off workers as soon as covid happened. How many was it? Tens of millions? And now that they need them back, lulz

[japhy]

if it was only that cut and dry.

So seriously, where are they if they don't show up in the unemployment numbers? Unemployment now is about the same as it was when trump was president, pre-pandemic. It was hard to find people then and it is hard to find people now. But now, the problem is that "people just don't want to work". This seemed to become "the problem" about the time we elected a new president.

And you don't have to be a doctor to have a better job than flipping burgers or waiting tables at the Olive Garden.

https://kansaspublicradio.org/npr-news/ ... re-booming

Silly girl, doesn't she know we NEED more minimum wage shelf stockers to keep the HyVee open and to Keep Merica Great?

[Mjl]

Funny thing, I interned at HyVee doing IT stuff. Was upgrading servers at some store in bumblefuck somewhere and the network went down. While some competent person (non-intern) tried fixing it, my fellow intern and I helped bag groceries.

But yeah, criticizing tech folks for not taking a store job when they can find a new job in about 20 seconds is a joke. I am shocked they didn't need them somewhere else and am wondering if those folks just sucked. We can't find developers right now.

[ousdahl]

if it was only that cut and dry.

[MICHHAWK]

this is America. every citizen has the ability to own their own pond. work hard. get good grades. take your vitamins. say your prayers.

this is the greatest country on earth. you want to own your own pond. you have the ability.

[ousdahl]

If only it was that cut and dry.

Buck heck, yeah, sure, if you DO want to own your own pond, then it’s prob best to not spend too long working some shit job that pays poverty wages.