Let’s have a war!

[KUTradition]

nbc news…must just be more western propaganda

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946

[Mjl]

I tried. For instance I asked you to back up claims that the guy who spoke to Greek Parliament was a Nazi. I asked your source for the pope-kissing-the-flag thing and thought your answer that it was some socialist chick on Twitter was you admitting you had none. And then you continue repeating those things without actually giving any attempt to verify them. So I stopped. Because what's the point if you don't even care if what you're saying is actually true.

[KUTradition]

I tried. For instance I asked you to back up claims that the guy who spoke to Greek Parliament was a Nazi. I asked your source for the pope-kissing-the-flag thing and thought your answer that it was some socialist chick on Twitter was you admitting you had none. And then you continue repeating those things without actually giving any attempt to verify them. So I stopped. Because what's the point if you don't even care if what you're saying is actually true.

imagine, if the US were invaded and innocent civilians were being killed, and one of the main countries that could help was in debate about it because of slavery, confederate statues, and an uber minority neo-nazi presence

nbd…everyone must suffer

[Mjl]

pretty much

what’s frustrating is actually providing legit sources that seem to be completely ignored or dismissed as western propaganda

i guess twitter and instagram are waaaay more reputable sources

Ousie, i’ve got some ivermectin for you when you’re ready

what legit sources? you pointing that Putin MIGHT want to continue invading other places, admitting there's no actual evidence of as much, then assuring some experts somewhere totally think that anyway?

what if that IS western propaganda?

what sources am I ignoring or dismissing? the same old "Ukraine good Russia bad" rhetoric links you apparently aren't able to see through as propaganda itself?

cuz again, YOURE THE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWNPLAYING NAZISM. LIKE LITERAL NAZISM. What what mjl's grandparents think of you guys?

They'd be horrified that people like you compare Ukraine to Nazi Germany

[Mjl]

I tried. For instance I asked you to back up claims that the guy who spoke to Greek Parliament was a Nazi. I asked your source for the pope-kissing-the-flag thing and thought your answer that it was some socialist chick on Twitter was you admitting you had none. And then you continue repeating those things without actually giving any attempt to verify them. So I stopped. Because what's the point if you don't even care if what you're saying is actually true.

imagine, if the US were invaded and innocent civilians were being killed, and one of the main countries that could help was in debate about it because of slavery, confederate statues, and an uber minority neo-nazi presence

nbd…everyone must suffer

That's exactly what he's doing. It's so frustrating.

[ousdahl]

who downplayed it and how, exactly?

the collective attitude of everyone here besides me is, nazis are nbd, cuz the REAL boogeyman is Russia! As if there isn't evil to go around. It's so sad how quickly you guys have normalized it, and how oblivious you are to the propaganda that's conditioned you to do so.

and i’ve posted numerous sources here, as well as sending them to you privately

No one reads the links I post here, either. Often from the same sources you guys are posting!

Regarding that link you sent me privately a while back, I was hesitant to say so the first time around, but I encourage you to go re-read it. It's just more shallow "Ukraine good Russia bad" sort of propaganda to justify war, and does little to understand any bigger context.

does Ukraine have an internal problem with Nazis? most likely yes

does that mean they deserve putin’s wrath? no

does that mean we should be arming them?

[ousdahl]

pretty much

what’s frustrating is actually providing legit sources that seem to be completely ignored or dismissed as western propaganda

i guess twitter and instagram are waaaay more reputable sources

Ousie, i’ve got some ivermectin for you when you’re ready

what legit sources? you pointing that Putin MIGHT want to continue invading other places, admitting there's no actual evidence of as much, then assuring some experts somewhere totally think that anyway?

what if that IS western propaganda?

what sources am I ignoring or dismissing? the same old "Ukraine good Russia bad" rhetoric links you apparently aren't able to see through as propaganda itself?

cuz again, YOURE THE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWNPLAYING NAZISM. LIKE LITERAL NAZISM. What what mjl's grandparents think of you guys?

They'd be horrified that people like you compare Ukraine to Nazi Germany

you realize Ukrainian leaders at the time were in cahoots with Nazi Germany, right?

Guys like Stephan Bandera, who is largely viewed as some sort of national hero by the far righties in Ukraine today.

at what point WOULD you be concerned with nazis in Ukraine today? Is it some sort of critical mass thing?

[KUTradition]

false

false

see my post above, re: if the US were invaded

[KUTradition]

what legit sources? you pointing that Putin MIGHT want to continue invading other places, admitting there's no actual evidence of as much, then assuring some experts somewhere totally think that anyway?

what if that IS western propaganda?

what sources am I ignoring or dismissing? the same old "Ukraine good Russia bad" rhetoric links you apparently aren't able to see through as propaganda itself?

cuz again, YOURE THE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWNPLAYING NAZISM. LIKE LITERAL NAZISM. What what mjl's grandparents think of you guys?

They'd be horrified that people like you compare Ukraine to Nazi Germany

you realize Ukrainian leaders at the time were in cahoots with Nazi Germany, right?

Guys like Stephan Bandera, who is largely viewed as some sort of national hero by the far righties in Ukraine today.

at what point WOULD you be concerned with nazis in Ukraine today? Is it some sort of critical mass thing?

all of that is secondary to innocent people being bombed to death…or at least it should be

[ousdahl]

I tried. For instance I asked you to back up claims that the guy who spoke to Greek Parliament was a Nazi. I asked your source for the pope-kissing-the-flag thing and thought your answer that it was some socialist chick on Twitter was you admitting you had none. And then you continue repeating those things without actually giving any attempt to verify them. So I stopped. Because what's the point if you don't even care if what you're saying is actually true.

imagine, if the US were invaded and innocent civilians were being killed, and one of the main countries that could help was in debate about it because of slavery, confederate statues, and an uber minority neo-nazi presence

nbd…everyone must suffer

That's exactly what he's doing. It's so frustrating.

Don't let Trad put bullshit words in my mouth and pass it off as what I'm doing.

You're the motherfuckers shamelessly gaslighting me instead of concede a thing about your own toxic world views.

I don't want ANYONE to suffer! The only ones accepting mass casualties as some inevitable thing are you war pigs.

[ousdahl]

They'd be horrified that people like you compare Ukraine to Nazi Germany

you realize Ukrainian leaders at the time were in cahoots with Nazi Germany, right?

Guys like Stephan Bandera, who is largely viewed as some sort of national hero by the far righties in Ukraine today.

at what point WOULD you be concerned with nazis in Ukraine today? Is it some sort of critical mass thing?

all of that is secondary to innocent people being bombed to death…or at least it should be

which innocent people, again?

cuz you haven't cared when the US does it directly, or by proxy like in Ukraine (or Syria, or Yemen, or Palestine, or...)

why do you only care when Russia does it?

[KUTradition]

you realize Ukrainian leaders at the time were in cahoots with Nazi Germany, right?

Guys like Stephan Bandera, who is largely viewed as some sort of national hero by the far righties in Ukraine today.

at what point WOULD you be concerned with nazis in Ukraine today? Is it some sort of critical mass thing?

all of that is secondary to innocent people being bombed to death…or at least it should be

which innocent people, again?

cuz you haven't cared when the US does it directly, or by proxy like in Ukraine (or Syria, or Yemen, or Palestine, or...)

why do you only care when Russia does it?

talk about putting words in mouths

when did you ever post about nazis in Ukraine until putin invaded?

where’s Japhy with a doubling down on dumb post when we need him?

[KUTradition]

not innocent, nor her baby…gotta be nazis or nazi sympathizers

[ousdahl]

false

false

see my post above, re: if the US were invaded

Could we review this, then?

I've posted credible link after credible link that nazism is a problem, that Bandera tried to broker some deal with the German Nazis for the sake of righty Ukrainian ethnic nationalism (and it backfired...whoda thought brokering a deal with the nazis might blow up in yer face?), and Bandera remains some fucked up here among the righties there today.

To disregard all that evidence and act like all that goes away by you simply typing "false," just shows how ignorant YOU'RE being here

now if I may, I'm gonna go try to respond to your analogy you tried to advance as my own

[KUTradition]

Theater Serving as a Shelter in Ukraine with the Word 'Children' Written Next to It Was Bombed

meh…nazi sympathizers, the lot of them

[KUTradition]

false

false

see my post above, re: if the US were invaded

Could we review this, then?

why?

you haven’t given me that respect in kind from posts earlier today

i’m not gonna play your game

[ousdahl]

I tried. For instance I asked you to back up claims that the guy who spoke to Greek Parliament was a Nazi. I asked your source for the pope-kissing-the-flag thing and thought your answer that it was some socialist chick on Twitter was you admitting you had none. And then you continue repeating those things without actually giving any attempt to verify them. So I stopped. Because what's the point if you don't even care if what you're saying is actually true.

imagine, if the US were invaded and innocent civilians were being killed, and one of the main countries that could help was in debate about it because of slavery, confederate statues, and an uber minority neo-nazi presence

nbd…everyone must suffer

"an uber minority neo-nazi presence," there you go downplaying nazism, yet again.

What amount of nazism are you willing to live with? And as has been demonstrated over and over again, the issue of nazism in Ukraine seems far more significant than some "uber minority presence," but go ahead and keep dodging that.

You realize no one has killed more innocent civilians around the world than the US, right?

but let's have more imagine time! Imagine Russia was pouring weapons into Canada, or Mexico, or - EEEEEK! - Cuba!, do you think we'd just sit by idly about it?

[ousdahl]

false

false

see my post above, re: if the US were invaded

Could we review this, then?

why?

you haven’t given me that respect in kind from posts earlier today

i’m not gonna play your game

what sort of respect am I supposed to offer, here?

what do you want me to do? Just capitulate to your "false false" sort of world views, actual evidence be damned?

let me point out, this is all shit I DON'T want to believe. It's not that I'm trying to preserve a certain world view that I want; it's that I'm willing to confront a certain world view I DON'T want. Trust me, if the whole shitstorm in Ukraine was all noble and good, I'd be less upset about it too!

[KUTradition]

You realize no one has killed more innocent civilians around the world than the US, right?

you serious, clark?

[KUTradition]

Could we review this, then?

why?

you haven’t given me that respect in kind from posts earlier today

i’m not gonna play your game

what sort of respect am I supposed to offer, here?

what do you want me to do? Just capitulate to your "false false" sort of world views, actual evidence be damned?

let me point out, this is all shit I DON'T want to believe. It's not that I'm trying to preserve a certain world view that I want; it's that I'm willing to confront a certain world view I DON'T want. Trust me, if the whole shitstorm in Ukraine was all noble and good, I'd be less upset about it too!

how about you answer my questions, rather than dodging and deflecting, posting in all caps and calling names

i’ve admitted that Ukraine has a nazi problem (numerous times) going back pages in this thread