2022-2023 Lineup

[punkrockhawk]

Was wondering if anyone knows if the agent that Wilson got is NCAA certified or not? I am guessing, yes, but wondered if anyone else knows. Sure hope that he gets feedback and comes back for a dominant year.

[hasbeen]

The agency he's with is NCAA certified so he's able to maintain his eligibility. He also did some weird NFT Q&A thing and said that NIL is something players are considering when making a decision.

[Deleted User 863]

If neither, who is it?

Bill Self

[punkrockhawk]

The agency he's with is NCAA certified so he's able to maintain his eligibility. He also did some weird NFT Q&A thing and said that NIL is something players are considering when making a decision.

That's great news! Thank you for verifying.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Obligatory you should pay $1 a month for The Athletic, but here are some scout evals on our 2 decisions:

https://theathletic.com/3264227/2022/04 ... -weigh-in/

Jalen Wilson’s evaluation

“I would have a hard time envisioning him getting drafted. He’s not good enough. The thing that he does the best in college right now is that he rebounds the ball. We always ask, what’s gonna get you on the court? Why is Coach gonna put you in an NBA game? I don’t know why he’d get put in the game. He’s a solid defender of similar sized guys. He does a good job of switching. He just doesn’t do anything good enough.

“He needs to ideally show he can be a three man. But if he’s going to be a four man — Trey Murphy is a good example — show you can make 3s. (Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3 at Virginia as a junior and then was picked 17th in the 2021 draft. Wilson’s 3-point percentage went from 33.3 percent as a freshman to 26.3 percent this season.) Because he’s not a great driver. He is good in transition, but how he’s going to get on the floor is be a better one-on-one defender and be 35-to-40 percent as a 3-point shooter.”

“Last year at this time, you expected him to make a jump. And whether it’s the DUI or whatever, he didn’t make a jump to me. His stats didn’t really change much from last year, except he was worse from 3. He’s gotten his body better and that’s helped, but he needs a good full year next year and needs to be better.”

“If he stayed in, he strikes me as someone who would get in summer league and training camp, but probably be facing a G League season where he’d have to prove himself. For him, is just getting on with your pro career more important than playing out your eligibility at Kansas? Where I imagine that might be even more lucrative in the current climate than what a G League deal would offer. An Exhibit 10 contract — one that can be assigned to a G League team — is $50k, plus a G League contract is $37,000.”

“He has to be better, and he needs to come back. And it’s OK. Look at the playoffs. Whether it’s Fred VanVleet or Jose Alvarado or Herb Jones, there are four-year guys out there getting to play and impacting games. It’s OK not to be a one-and-done or two-and-done.”

Christian Braun’s evaluation

“Christian is probably in a far more advantageous position. I think he may never have more momentum than he does now coming off of this national title run in which he played well. I think also though he’s in a position where it might still be hard for him by the next early-entry deadline for withdrawal to have an assurance that he’s a first-round pick from someone. He’s in that range where he might be a first-rounder, but he might not be. He’s probably in the 30s to 40s and closer to 40. Some have him even lower than that.”

“He did really help himself over the course of the year. He’s a vertical athlete in that he can run and jump, but laterally he’s just at best average. He’s a good college defender, but defense is always going to be a question mark. He shoots it good, albeit not great. He’s got to elevate his release point a little bit. Translating his 3-point shot to the NBA game, I still think there would be some struggles. He needs to get it off a little quicker, because I don’t think he’s getting that same shot off. And sometimes he doesn’t even look for a shot when he has open shots in college. He needs to be 40 percent from 3, and he needs to make three or four a game, and he needs to not turn down shots. He needs to be shooter first, a driver second. Let his shot set up his drive.”

“When he plays hard and when he’s aggressive and attacks, he’s freaking good. He needs to come back and be aggressive and be the man all game, not just a half, and show he can do that.”

“His personality is the kind that tell him he shouldn’t go in the draft, he’s gonna go, right? He’s gonna explore it, and he should. But he’s got to transition from a three to a two to really have a chance. At 6-6, that’s going to be what he is in the NBA. His percentage was good from 3 this year (38.6 percent on 3.3 attempts per game). But to be a real valuable commodity, he needs to become great. That could happen.”

“For him, it’s weighing two pretty good things: I could ride this momentum, and I think I’m certain I’ll get picked, versus you just saw a teammate of yours go back and turn probably a similar position that you’re in now into maybe being a lottery pick. If he comes back next year and he competes for Big 12 Player of the Year, which he should have a chance for, he could be like (Ochai Agbaji) and move up into the teens.”

[hoopla]

CB a shooter first, driver 2nd? I’m just not buying that.

[CrimsonNBlue]

CB a shooter first, driver 2nd? I’m just not buying that.

I think they are saying that's what he has to be in the league because his side-to-side quickness isn't good enough to be a driver first. I agree.

[Deleted User 863]

Obligatory you should pay $1 a month for The Athletic, but here are some scout evals on our 2 decisions:

https://theathletic.com/3264227/2022/04 ... -weigh-in/

Jalen Wilson’s evaluation

“I would have a hard time envisioning him getting drafted. He’s not good enough. The thing that he does the best in college right now is that he rebounds the ball. We always ask, what’s gonna get you on the court? Why is Coach gonna put you in an NBA game? I don’t know why he’d get put in the game. He’s a solid defender of similar sized guys. He does a good job of switching. He just doesn’t do anything good enough.

“He needs to ideally show he can be a three man. But if he’s going to be a four man — Trey Murphy is a good example — show you can make 3s. (Murphy shot 43.3 percent from 3 at Virginia as a junior and then was picked 17th in the 2021 draft. Wilson’s 3-point percentage went from 33.3 percent as a freshman to 26.3 percent this season.) Because he’s not a great driver. He is good in transition, but how he’s going to get on the floor is be a better one-on-one defender and be 35-to-40 percent as a 3-point shooter.”

“Last year at this time, you expected him to make a jump. And whether it’s the DUI or whatever, he didn’t make a jump to me. His stats didn’t really change much from last year, except he was worse from 3. He’s gotten his body better and that’s helped, but he needs a good full year next year and needs to be better.”

“If he stayed in, he strikes me as someone who would get in summer league and training camp, but probably be facing a G League season where he’d have to prove himself. For him, is just getting on with your pro career more important than playing out your eligibility at Kansas? Where I imagine that might be even more lucrative in the current climate than what a G League deal would offer. An Exhibit 10 contract — one that can be assigned to a G League team — is $50k, plus a G League contract is $37,000.”

“He has to be better, and he needs to come back. And it’s OK. Look at the playoffs. Whether it’s Fred VanVleet or Jose Alvarado or Herb Jones, there are four-year guys out there getting to play and impacting games. It’s OK not to be a one-and-done or two-and-done.”

Christian Braun’s evaluation

“Christian is probably in a far more advantageous position. I think he may never have more momentum than he does now coming off of this national title run in which he played well. I think also though he’s in a position where it might still be hard for him by the next early-entry deadline for withdrawal to have an assurance that he’s a first-round pick from someone. He’s in that range where he might be a first-rounder, but he might not be. He’s probably in the 30s to 40s and closer to 40. Some have him even lower than that.”

“He did really help himself over the course of the year. He’s a vertical athlete in that he can run and jump, but laterally he’s just at best average. He’s a good college defender, but defense is always going to be a question mark. He shoots it good, albeit not great. He’s got to elevate his release point a little bit. Translating his 3-point shot to the NBA game, I still think there would be some struggles. He needs to get it off a little quicker, because I don’t think he’s getting that same shot off. And sometimes he doesn’t even look for a shot when he has open shots in college. He needs to be 40 percent from 3, and he needs to make three or four a game, and he needs to not turn down shots. He needs to be shooter first, a driver second. Let his shot set up his drive.”

“When he plays hard and when he’s aggressive and attacks, he’s freaking good. He needs to come back and be aggressive and be the man all game, not just a half, and show he can do that.”

“His personality is the kind that tell him he shouldn’t go in the draft, he’s gonna go, right? He’s gonna explore it, and he should. But he’s got to transition from a three to a two to really have a chance. At 6-6, that’s going to be what he is in the NBA. His percentage was good from 3 this year (38.6 percent on 3.3 attempts per game). But to be a real valuable commodity, he needs to become great. That could happen.”

“For him, it’s weighing two pretty good things: I could ride this momentum, and I think I’m certain I’ll get picked, versus you just saw a teammate of yours go back and turn probably a similar position that you’re in now into maybe being a lottery pick. If he comes back next year and he competes for Big 12 Player of the Year, which he should have a chance for, he could be like (Ochai Agbaji) and move up into the teens.”

Thanks!

Agree about JW.

CB: the "transition from 3 spot to 2 spot" comment is key imo, because he can actually be our 2 next year and begin that transition. He can be the Och role next year. The stars have aligned perfectly for him. Although I don't think he can go wrong either way.

[NewtonHawk11]

If either one return, they will be the face of the team.

If neither, who is it?
Harris?

Dick

[hoopla]

CB a shooter first, driver 2nd? I’m just not buying that.

I think they are saying that's what he has to be in the league because his side-to-side quickness isn't good enough to be a driver first. I agree.

It’s such a cookie-cutter comment tho, i.e. make him look closer to what we think an X player should look like, and ignores his specific attributes. Consider Seth, he took a little while to convince/demonstrate what he could bring was different than player X, and then he soared when he was given leeway to be himself. “Shooter first” isn’t who CB is and I think he can have success without becoming *Klay.

* pls don’t redirect focus here, feel free to replace with anyone else you think fits what the scout was describing.

[pdub]

"...versus you just saw a teammate of yours go back and turn probably a similar position that you’re in now into maybe being a lottery pick. If he comes back next year and he competes for Big 12 Player of the Year, which he should have a chance for, he could be like (Ochai Agbaji) and move up into the teens."

What we've been saying here for a while now.

[CrimsonNBlue]

The scouts are just confirming what's been said most of the season: no one feels great about J-Will being drafted but he's been here 3 seasons and already declared once and he's going to be 22 years old for next season.

CB is a borderline first rounder that could come back and improve and become a surefire first rounder.

Only thing that's changed, and I think it is a big one, is the momentum from the natty as well as the feeling of "mission accomplished."

[pdub]

Right.
While you could absolutely improve and wow the scouts, the momentum ( and I don't want to call it iron because i think the iron can be hot/hotter if you were a 1st team AA and had a 30 point game in a loss in the elite 8 ) can't ( well, unless, you know, you go out and win FF MOP ) be better.

[jfish26]

If either one return, they will be the face of the team.

If neither, who is it?
Harris?

Dick

Now be nice. He just asked a question.

[jfish26]

Right.
While you could absolutely improve and wow the scouts, the momentum ( and I don't want to call it iron because i think the iron can be hot/hotter if you were a 1st team AA and had a 30 point game in a loss in the elite 8 ) can't ( well, unless, you know, you go out and win FF MOP ) be better.

I know you and I don't (and won't!) see eye to eye. BUT, it seems to me that this at least being a somewhat fair fight now, financially, is a GREAT thing for college basketball (and KU).

[pdub]

I just don't see Dick.
At least not to start.
Dick has to rise to the occasion and then he might be all over TV, digital and print.

[pdub]

Right.
While you could absolutely improve and wow the scouts, the momentum ( and I don't want to call it iron because i think the iron can be hot/hotter if you were a 1st team AA and had a 30 point game in a loss in the elite 8 ) can't ( well, unless, you know, you go out and win FF MOP ) be better.

I know you and I don't (and won't!) see eye to eye. BUT, it seems to me that this at least being a somewhat fair fight now, financially, is a GREAT thing for college basketball (and KU).

I'd just rather not though.
If a kid doesn't want to be here, then they don't want to be here.
And that's fine. I want kids who want to be here.

Perhaps in a case like Jalen, it doesn't bother me as much, but this is bound to get out of control with luring potential future lotto picks to your program.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think Davis is supposed to announce today and that sure seems to have trailed off--guessing he chooses Memphis.

I wonder if the overall plan here is to have one of CB or J Will back and then add a guard/wing or two that has a couple years of eligibility left rather than one of the most coveted guys.

[jfish26]

I think Davis is supposed to announce today and that sure seems to have trailed off--guessing he chooses Memphis.

I wonder if the overall plan here is to have one of CB or J Will back and then add a guard/wing or two that has a couple years of eligibility left rather than one of the most coveted guys.

Probably depends on who the one coming back is. I think Braun is much harder to replace.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think Davis is supposed to announce today and that sure seems to have trailed off--guessing he chooses Memphis.

I wonder if the overall plan here is to have one of CB or J Will back and then add a guard/wing or two that has a couple years of eligibility left rather than one of the most coveted guys.

Probably depends on who the one coming back is. I think Braun is much harder to replace.

Agree with that.

If you do a Harris/Guard/Wilson/Adams/5 starting lineup, it's in desperate need of shooters and spacing.