Jayhawks in the NBA

[twocoach]

Curry has to be top 10 all time…..doesn’t he?

We'll see when his career ends.

[Deleted User 863]

He's certainly ahead of Durant.

No f'n way.

Maybe it's just because I dislike KD, but the 2 extra titles for Steph matter for me. Both 2x MVP. KD has 2 more all NBAs and 2 more scoring titles.

KD has only won with Steph/by joining a dynasty. He'd have no titles if not for his move to GS.

[Deleted User 863]

Curry has to be top 10 all time…..doesn’t he?

We'll see when his career ends.

I will never have him in my personal top 10. Almost all the guys in the top 10 impacted the game on BOTH ends of the floor.

Curry is special, but I could never put him over guys like Shaq Kobe or Duncan.

[CrimsonNBlue]

He's certainly ahead of Durant.

No f'n way.

Maybe it's just because I dislike KD, but the 2 extra titles for Steph matter for me. Both 2x MVP. KD has 2 more all NBAs and 2 more scoring titles.

KD has only won with Steph/by joining a dynasty. He'd have no titles if not for his move to GS.

Steph's the way better teammate, but KD's the way better basketball player.

If you can put down your dislike for KD, a distaste that I can understand, he's much more of a unicorn than Steph is. And that's not meant to be a knock on Steph. You're talking about athletic, 7 footer-length, great defender with Larry Bird-esque offensive skills. That's absurd enough, and then KD was the dude when it mattered when they played on the same team.

[KUTradition]

evidence that titles can be over-valued

[Deleted User 863]

No f'n way.

Maybe it's just because I dislike KD, but the 2 extra titles for Steph matter for me. Both 2x MVP. KD has 2 more all NBAs and 2 more scoring titles.

KD has only won with Steph/by joining a dynasty. He'd have no titles if not for his move to GS.

Steph's the way better teammate, but KD's the way better basketball player.

If you can put down your dislike for KD, a distaste that I can understand, he's much more of a unicorn than Steph is. And that's not meant to be a knock on Steph. You're talking about athletic, 7 footer-length, great defender with Larry Bird-esque offensive skills. That's absurd enough, and then KD was the dude when it mattered when they played on the same team.

I guess I agree KD is better at basketball than Steph, but when doing my personal all time top 10 or 15 list, it feels like sort of a combination of individual talent as well as career accomplishments/success. If it's just individual skill then some of those old guys wouldn't be on my list.

It's close, but I'd put Steph above KD on my all time top 10 list, especially after last night. Maybe I am a prisoner of the moment. Maybe I just dislike KD too much.

[Deleted User 863]

For instance, Joel Embiid is better at basketball than Hakeem or Russell imo. He'd probably also give Wilt Shaq and Duncan all they could handle. But I don't have Embiid on my all time top 10 or 15.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Maybe it's just because I dislike KD, but the 2 extra titles for Steph matter for me. Both 2x MVP. KD has 2 more all NBAs and 2 more scoring titles.

KD has only won with Steph/by joining a dynasty. He'd have no titles if not for his move to GS.

Steph's the way better teammate, but KD's the way better basketball player.

If you can put down your dislike for KD, a distaste that I can understand, he's much more of a unicorn than Steph is. And that's not meant to be a knock on Steph. You're talking about athletic, 7 footer-length, great defender with Larry Bird-esque offensive skills. That's absurd enough, and then KD was the dude when it mattered when they played on the same team.

I guess I agree KD is better at basketball than Steph, but when doing my personal all time top 10 or 15 list, it feels like sort of a combination of individual talent as well as career accomplishments/success. If it's just individual skill then some of those old guys wouldn't be on my list.

It's close, but I'd put Steph above KD on my all time top 10 list, especially after last night. Maybe I am a prisoner of the moment. Maybe I just dislike KD too much.

I probably jumped Curry close to 10 spots after last night, so I get it.

But the rest of the titles aren't as meaningful for me in this comparison considering Durant was the clear Finals MVP for 2 of the other 3 and then Curry was not the MVP for his one without Durant.

There's a little bit of a "System-QB" thing with Curry. If Curry spends his first 10 seasons as thee guy at what was basically a new franchise in OKC, he's also not winning any titles there.

And, of course, there's still time left on this, but if they retired today, Steph would decidedly be behind Durant. The stats and the eye test aren't close for me.

[CrimsonNBlue]

For instance, Joel Embiid is better at basketball than Hakeem or Russell imo. He'd probably also give Wilt Shaq and Duncan all they could handle. But I don't have Embiid on my all time top 10 or 15.

The difference is that Curry and Durant are basically the same age playing in the exact same era at the same time.

[Deleted User 863]

Steph's the way better teammate, but KD's the way better basketball player.

If you can put down your dislike for KD, a distaste that I can understand, he's much more of a unicorn than Steph is. And that's not meant to be a knock on Steph. You're talking about athletic, 7 footer-length, great defender with Larry Bird-esque offensive skills. That's absurd enough, and then KD was the dude when it mattered when they played on the same team.

I guess I agree KD is better at basketball than Steph, but when doing my personal all time top 10 or 15 list, it feels like sort of a combination of individual talent as well as career accomplishments/success. If it's just individual skill then some of those old guys wouldn't be on my list.

It's close, but I'd put Steph above KD on my all time top 10 list, especially after last night. Maybe I am a prisoner of the moment. Maybe I just dislike KD too much.

I probably jumped Curry close to 10 spots after last night, so I get it.

But the rest of the titles aren't as meaningful for me in this comparison considering Durant was the clear Finals MVP for 2 of the other 3 and then Curry was not the MVP for his one without Durant.

There's a little bit of a "System-QB" thing with Curry. If Curry spends his first 10 seasons as thee guy at what was basically a new franchise in OKC, he's also not winning any titles there.

And, of course, there's still time left on this, but if they retired today, Steph would decidedly be behind Durant. The stats and the eye test aren't close for me.

I totally see your points.

I guess maybe the best comparison that comes to my mind is for NFL. I think Peyton Manning was better individually at QB than Tom Brady, but I would rank Brady ahead of Manning on my all time list.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I guess I agree KD is better at basketball than Steph, but when doing my personal all time top 10 or 15 list, it feels like sort of a combination of individual talent as well as career accomplishments/success. If it's just individual skill then some of those old guys wouldn't be on my list.

It's close, but I'd put Steph above KD on my all time top 10 list, especially after last night. Maybe I am a prisoner of the moment. Maybe I just dislike KD too much.

I probably jumped Curry close to 10 spots after last night, so I get it.

But the rest of the titles aren't as meaningful for me in this comparison considering Durant was the clear Finals MVP for 2 of the other 3 and then Curry was not the MVP for his one without Durant.

There's a little bit of a "System-QB" thing with Curry. If Curry spends his first 10 seasons as thee guy at what was basically a new franchise in OKC, he's also not winning any titles there.

And, of course, there's still time left on this, but if they retired today, Steph would decidedly be behind Durant. The stats and the eye test aren't close for me.

I totally see your points.

I guess maybe the best comparison that comes to my mind is for NFL. I think Peyton Manning was better individually at QB than Tom Brady, but I would rank Brady ahead of Manning on my all time list.

I get your logic on it, and it's just an opinion, so I get it.


So, Brady and Manning example is unneeded, but partly why Brady completely separated himself from Manning is that they were just so night and day when it came to the playoffs. Early on, Manning looked more skilled, but the stats and wins just kept piling up for Brady. And then Brady's 2007 season, and I would argue this last 2021 season showed that Brady's A-Game was every bit as good as Manning's. We're wildly off-topic now, though.

[Overlander]

I probably jumped Curry close to 10 spots after last night, so I get it.

But the rest of the titles aren't as meaningful for me in this comparison considering Durant was the clear Finals MVP for 2 of the other 3 and then Curry was not the MVP for his one without Durant.

There's a little bit of a "System-QB" thing with Curry. If Curry spends his first 10 seasons as thee guy at what was basically a new franchise in OKC, he's also not winning any titles there.

And, of course, there's still time left on this, but if they retired today, Steph would decidedly be behind Durant. The stats and the eye test aren't close for me.

I totally see your points.

I guess maybe the best comparison that comes to my mind is for NFL. I think Peyton Manning was better individually at QB than Tom Brady, but I would rank Brady ahead of Manning on my all time list.

We're wildly off-topic now, though.

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[Deleted User 863]

I probably jumped Curry close to 10 spots after last night, so I get it.

But the rest of the titles aren't as meaningful for me in this comparison considering Durant was the clear Finals MVP for 2 of the other 3 and then Curry was not the MVP for his one without Durant.

There's a little bit of a "System-QB" thing with Curry. If Curry spends his first 10 seasons as thee guy at what was basically a new franchise in OKC, he's also not winning any titles there.

And, of course, there's still time left on this, but if they retired today, Steph would decidedly be behind Durant. The stats and the eye test aren't close for me.

I totally see your points.

I guess maybe the best comparison that comes to my mind is for NFL. I think Peyton Manning was better individually at QB than Tom Brady, but I would rank Brady ahead of Manning on my all time list.

I get your logic on it, and it's just an opinion, so I get it.


So, Brady and Manning example is unneeded, but partly why Brady completely separated himself from Manning is that they were just so night and day when it came to the playoffs. Early on, Manning looked more skilled, but the stats and wins just kept piling up for Brady. And then Brady's 2007 season, and I would argue this last 2021 season showed that Brady's A-Game was every bit as good as Manning's. We're wildly off-topic now, though.

I saw an interesting stat on the differences in quality of defense that Manning had each season vs what Brady had each season, and the difference was staggering.

But yes, totally off topic.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I totally see your points.

I guess maybe the best comparison that comes to my mind is for NFL. I think Peyton Manning was better individually at QB than Tom Brady, but I would rank Brady ahead of Manning on my all time list.

I get your logic on it, and it's just an opinion, so I get it.


So, Brady and Manning example is unneeded, but partly why Brady completely separated himself from Manning is that they were just so night and day when it came to the playoffs. Early on, Manning looked more skilled, but the stats and wins just kept piling up for Brady. And then Brady's 2007 season, and I would argue this last 2021 season showed that Brady's A-Game was every bit as good as Manning's. We're wildly off-topic now, though.

I saw an interesting stat on the differences in quality of defense that Manning had each season vs what Brady had each season, and the difference was staggering.

But yes, totally off topic.

You could also point out, though, that Manning always had better offensive weapons including a HOF WR in IND. There's just too big of a difference: Brady is 35-12 all time in the playoffs. Manning was 14-13.

[Cascadia]

I think there is a distinction between best/talented vs most successful. I still think Manning was the best QB I've ever seen play. But, Brady clearly the most successful. Similarly, I think Durant is a much better basketball player than Curry, but Curry will have a more successful career. If Durant was such a headcase he could have retired in the GOAT conversation.

[Cascadia]

Also, fuck all this GOAT and FB talk.

Andrew Wiggins is a fucking champ!

[Deleted User 863]

Does he spend the majority of the rest of his career in GS now? Or does he now have so much market value that it becomes impossible for them to keep him after next season when he becomes a UFA?

[twocoach]

Does he spend the majority of the rest of his career in GS now? Or does he now have so much market value that it becomes impossible for them to keep him after next season when he becomes a UFA?

Wiggins seems to fit well in GS and has already made an obscene amount of money so it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed in GS for as long as they'll have him.

If he hadn't been a max contract guy prior to this then I could see him cashing but whi knows.

[twocoach]

I think there is a distinction between best/talented vs most successful. I still think Manning was the best QB I've ever seen play. But, Brady clearly the most successful. Similarly, I think Durant is a much better basketball player than Curry, but Curry will have a more successful career. If Durant was such a headcase he could have retired in the GOAT conversation.

Manning's best was better than Brady's best but Brady was better at playing close to his best under pressure while Manning got happy feet too often under pressure. A lot has to do with Brady having the GOAT HC to shoulder the pressure of having to make all the right calls while Manning shouldered that pressure himself.

[randylahey]

Was Steph the goat? No

Will he end up with the best resume of all time? Maybe

Hes unique. He changed the game. He showed us a shooting prowess we never expected to see. He shattered pretty much every shooting record imaginable and it might be a long time if anyone ever matches it. And he got drafted by the right organization that was able to build around his skillset and get championships. He might have a couple more too if he and klay stayed healthy