an even more frightening perspective

[KUTradition]

Kansas arm of keystone pipeline shut down due to 14,000 barrel spill in Mill Creek, Washington Co. (nw of mancrappin)

[ousdahl]

sooo

Is it normal to have tornadoes in December?

[KUTradition]

yes

but, they usually aren’t numerous and are almost always F3 or weaker

[KUTradition]

https://news.yahoo.com/signed-sealed-de ... 7HDWTGdk3a

this would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad

[KUTradition]

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/17/11426758 ... ill-kansas

[Overlander]

Hey, remember when those clearly uneducated Native Americans protested Keystone coming through their area?

Nothing some tear gas, water hoses in freezing water and rubber bullets can’t fix….right?

[KUTradition]

the slow death of Lake Powell

https://kutv.com/amp/news/utah-water/dr ... er-studies

[KUTradition]

https://nytimes.com/2023/01/04/magazine ... ticleShare

[KUTradition]

the Great Salt Lake may have as few as 5 years unless drastic measures are taken

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/01/05/ ... -vanish-5/

[Overlander]

When the Salton Sea gets ignored like it has (with shockingly horrific implications), I would say solving the issues with these other major bodies of water doesn’t look good

[KUTradition]

When the Salton Sea gets ignored like it has (with shockingly horrific implications), I would say solving the issues with these other major bodies of water doesn’t look good

it’s amazing how true the adage holds, that when you don’t learn from your mistakes you’re bound to repeat them

Mono Lake already died

Shasta, Salton Sea, and GSL seem to following suite

i’m most troubled by the potential ecological implications. the loss of the brine communities seems likely to be devastating for the 10s of millions of migratory birds that rely on the food source

i also don’t think most utahans realize or appreciate the effect the lake has on the snow. without it, the “greatest snow on earth” will likely disappear as well. there will still be snow, but it won’t be at all the same

[Overlander]

The case study should be Owens Lake, north of LA, to see what the respiratory issues will be on humans and wildlife if the Salton Sea is allowed to continue on its path.

Salton Sea is MASSIVE in size, if you haven’t seen it 20 years ago vs today..,.you would be shocked

[KUTradition]

Owens…i knew there was another one i was forgetting

[KUTradition]

hopefully we can make a shift from throwing money at the lake, to throwing water at the lake

in the second driest state in the country? with a governor who asked that we just pray for rain?

radiowest has a piece playing right now, talking about concern for this summer that the salinity threshold for the brine communities might easily be surpassed

[KUTradition]

jesus…

a new study shows that exxon scientists predicted climate change accurately, with their own independent modeling, from 1977-2003…in the face of decades of public denial

1999, ceo lee raymond: [future climate] “projections are based on completely unproven climate models, or, more often, sheer speculation”

https://science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

[ousdahl]

Forgive me for going full Qusdahl, but does anyone else think there must be some legal something for which we can and should charge big oil executives with fraud or crimes against humanity or something?

[KUTradition]

i almost said as much

should do the same for the plastic industry and their intentionally misleading marketing around recycling

[TDub]

When the government is complicit who would there even be to levy charges (is that the right term) or handout penalties or hold the responsible accountable?

[TDub]

when it is known that lithium mining is as bad for the earth as oil drilling, that the battery recycling is (at this point) as much of a scam as plastic recycling,
that our grid still needs oil and coal to charge the electric vehicles .....are we going to go after the electric car execs too?

[ousdahl]