Conspiracies

[jfish26]

How nice that one of our banned friends found time to go on TV.

[jhawks99]

Tuck did say he knows nothing

[ousdahl]

[Overlander]

Yes we have.
Plenty of athletes before 2020 have collapsed playing a sport, many related to heart conditions.
Just stop.

About time. The floor was pretty sticky

[twocoach]

Now there is a damar Hamlin conspiracy. I dont personally beleive this, but apparently there is a documentary called "died suddenly." I haven't seen it, but the idea is what happened to Hamlin has happened to others who have been vaccinated. Apparently there's several soccer players used as examples. Young healthy athletes who just mysteriously died suddenly

Here's an Olympic champion figure skater whose heart stopped in the middle of training in 1995. Likely not due to the covid vaccine: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

A marathon runner who died at the US Olympic trials: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/spor ... unner.html


Several athletes from various sports who experienced similar incidents:

https://www.insider.com/sports-stars-wh ... y-a-puck-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_ca ... f_athletes

Just because you don't know of it happening doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

[jfish26]

Now there is a damar Hamlin conspiracy. I dont personally beleive this, but apparently there is a documentary called "died suddenly." I haven't seen it, but the idea is what happened to Hamlin has happened to others who have been vaccinated. Apparently there's several soccer players used as examples. Young healthy athletes who just mysteriously died suddenly

Here's an Olympic champion figure skater whose heart stopped in the middle of training in 1995. Likely not due to the covid vaccine: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

A marathon runner who died at the US Olympic trials: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/spor ... unner.html


Several athletes from various sports who experienced similar incidents:

https://www.insider.com/sports-stars-wh ... y-a-puck-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_ca ... f_athletes

Just because you don't know of it happening doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

Commotio cordis is a well-known risk for athletes, and if that's not what happened then there are many well-known other possibilities.

People doing the "well we don't know that the Covid vaccine didn't do this," is like looking at a car wreck and saying, "well we don't know that the driver wasn't distracted by seeing a UFO that since went back to Quintalon XII, so you can't see it now."

[pdub]

It's the 'i'm not saying, but i'm just saying'.

You don't know for sure, which -- at it's very base non-applicable to trying to live in the real world -- is true. But you wouldn't be able to exist in that world.

[jfish26]

It's the 'i'm not saying, but i'm just saying'.

You don't know for sure, which -- at it's very base non-applicable to trying to live in the real world -- is true. But you wouldn't be able to exist in that world.

Yes. "Just asking the question," and so on.

[twocoach]

It's the 'i'm not saying, but i'm just saying'.

You don't know for sure, which -- at it's very base non-applicable to trying to live in the real world -- is true. But you wouldn't be able to exist in that world.

Yes. "Just asking the question," and so on.

While claiming to be the only people who are attempting to be "objective and seek the truth". I don't understand why they can't just say "I want to find a set of alternative facts that best align with my world view" and actually be honest about it.

[jfish26]

Our banned friends continue to find productive uses of their time.

[PhDhawk]

Our banned friends continue to find productive uses of their time.

Investigate vaccines?

Like performing multiple global clinical trials?

[KUTradition]

vaccines are the new benghazi, donchaknow

[jfish26]

Our banned friends continue to find productive uses of their time.

Investigate vaccines?

Like performing multiple global clinical trials?

Lol you silly goose, no. No need for that. Just ask some questions, and demand that all negatives be proved.

[PhDhawk]

The thing is, the information these people want is already available.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10 ... 122.059970

Here's what it shows....there is a slight increased risk of myocarditis/pericarditis following vaccination, but it's much lower than following a SARS-COV-2 infection. AND that mycarditis risk following infection from the virus actually goes down if you're vaccinated.

So, in the population if you set the likelihood of getting myocarditis to 1, you're likelihood of getting it after a vaccine increases 1.3 to 1.7 times depending on which dose it is. The increased likelihood of getting myocarditis following SARS-COV-2 infection increases more than 11 fold, however if you were vaccinated that increased likelihood drops to below 6.

So in real numbers. You expect something like 6 out of 1 million people to have myocarditis. Following vaccination you would get 2 or 3 additional cases of myocarditis per million. In the group of nonvaccinated people following infection you'd get an additional 35 cases of myocarditis. Following an infection in vaccinated individuals you'd expect an additional 23 cases.

So, the most likely cause of myocarditis is the virus, the vaccines increase the likelihood slightly, but actually reduce the chances of myocarditis following covid19. Also, the myocarditis associated with vaccination is mild, short in duration and treatable.

***This has NOTHING to do with Hamlin....there's no reason to think his issue was even related to myocarditis. This is just about the vaccines, the virus and their impact on the heart.

Also, people continue to monitor and do research on the effectiveness and effects of these vaccines. That's how we know about thrombocytopenia from the Jansen vaccine and myocarditis/pericarditis from all vaccines. I'm not sure that they can be anymore transparent than they have been.

[KUTradition]

but, but…

[jfish26]

The thing is, the information these people want is already available.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10 ... 122.059970

Here's what it shows....there is a slight increased risk of myocarditis/pericarditis following vaccination, but it's much lower than following a SARS-COV-2 infection. AND that mycarditis risk following infection from the virus actually goes down if you're vaccinated.

So, in the population if you set the likelihood of getting myocarditis to 1, you're likelihood of getting it after a vaccine increases 1.3 to 1.7 times depending on which dose it is. The increased likelihood of getting myocarditis following SARS-COV-2 infection increases more than 11 fold, however if you were vaccinated that increased likelihood drops to below 6.

So in real numbers. You expect something like 6 out of 1 million people to have myocarditis. Following vaccination you would get 2 or 3 additional cases of myocarditis per million. In the group of nonvaccinated people following infection you'd get an additional 35 cases of myocarditis. Following an infection in vaccinated individuals you'd expect an additional 23 cases.

So, the most likely cause of myocarditis is the virus, the vaccines increase the likelihood slightly, but actually reduce the chances of myocarditis following covid19. Also, the myocarditis associated with vaccination is mild, short in duration and treatable.

***This has NOTHING to do with Hamlin....there's no reason to think his issue was even related to myocarditis. This is just about the vaccines, the virus and their impact on the heart.

Also, people continue to monitor and do research on the effectiveness and effects of these vaccines. That's how we know about thrombocytopenia from the Jansen vaccine and myocarditis/pericarditis from all vaccines. I'm not sure that they can be anymore transparent than they have been.

I would suggest that this is the opposite of "the information these people want." That's the problem!

[DCHawk1]

i DoN't UnDeRsTaNd WhY dUmBaSsEs WoN't JuSt TrUsT sCiEnCe!

[Mjl]

Yeah, and National Geographic is all about real nature and TLC is all about learning programs, and MTV is music television etc, etc....

You're insinuating Scientific American magazine is a representation of what people consider science?

[ousdahl]

if we're really allowed to go full conspiracy, let's talk about how an American bidness letting employees close up and go home just cuz somebody flatlined at work is actually pretty rare

[DCHawk1]

Yeah, and National Geographic is all about real nature and TLC is all about learning programs, and MTV is music television etc, etc....

You're insinuating Scientific American magazine is a representation of what people consider science?