Finding New Shit on TV

[CrimsonNBlue]

netflix is free to do whatever they would like. i think they are mistaken if they think they are going to add subscribers with this move. and maybe that is not their intention. i don't know.

These are actually all good points.

[PhDhawk]

Anyone surprised to hear mich is a Netflix freeloader?

Sucking at the teet.

[ousdahl]

I think it’s that Netflix has more or less de facto allowed account sharing, at least more so than this latest policy permits, and the folks are inclined to prefer that status quo rather than any change…and particularly change that’s any inconvenience or detriment to themselves.

And, maybe even more generally, the Napster effect. Deep down, most folks would rather just be able to enjoy things without having to worry about whether someone else is trying to commercialize it.

And the funny thing about the details of this update is, couldn’t pretty much anyone who wanted to just hit up Vega to create some proxy server anyway?

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think it’s that Netflix has more or less de facto allowed account sharing, at least more so than this latest policy permits, and the folks are inclined to prefer that status quo rather than any change…and particularly change that’s any inconvenience or detriment to themselves.

And, maybe even more generally, the Napster effect. Deep down, most folks would rather just be able to enjoy things without having to worry about whether someone else is trying to commercialize it.

Your first paragraph is just using different words to say that the people want to continue freeloading, which I don't have sympathy for.

Your second paragraph is just saying that people want to consume stuff that doesn't belong to them for free and then you want to blame the corporations because you want to stay a freeloader. Again, no sympathy. Napster was shut down because it was illegal.

[MICHHAWK]

all your blubbering and blathering aside. i already pay enough for television entertainment. i'm not going to pay anymore. simple as that.

[CrimsonNBlue]

all your blubbering and blathering aside. i already pay enough for television entertainment. i'm not going to pay anymore. simple as that.

Not sure if you're talking to me, but I can unequivocally say that I do not give a single shit what streaming services you choose to use or not. You do you brother mich.

[ousdahl]

Man, who knew CnB’s real name was Lars Ulrich?

I kid.

I meant my paragraphs only as a matter of fact attempt to explain, and don’t necessarily disagree with your takes.

But, as generally as possible, I’ll also make the comment that it’s an absolute wonder public libraries ever became a thing.

[ousdahl]

all your blubbering and blathering aside. i already pay enough for television entertainment. i'm not going to pay anymore. simple as that.

Another good point by Mich.

As a matter of marketing and consumer choices and such, this latest policy may have quite the potential to blow up in Netflix’s face.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I meant my paragraphs only as a matter of fact attempt to explain, and don’t necessarily disagree with your takes.

But, as generally as possible, I’ll also make the comment that it’s an absolute wonder public libraries ever became a thing.

Gotcha, I was just wondering if it was something besides that, because there just seems to be near universal disdain for Netflix over the decision. I don't get it.

I often use the public library card to stream movies. hoopla, kanopy, there are good movies on there that are hard to find elsewhere. KC Star, NYTimes, Biz Journal is free, too. I'll never support defunding public libraries.

[CrimsonNBlue]

all your blubbering and blathering aside. i already pay enough for television entertainment. i'm not going to pay anymore. simple as that.

Another good point by Mich.

As a matter of marketing and consumer choices and such, this latest policy may have quite the potential to blow up in Netflix’s face.

It could perhaps, but I know they did the research for years prior to making the decision. It was a choice based on how much they thought they were losing by password sharing.

I kind of feel like they hit a peak, anyway. I bet their focus goes into quality content. Becoming an actual full blown movie and tv studio, for example.

[jhawks99]

Anyone surprised to hear mich is a Netflix freeloader?

Sucking at the teet.

Is he a malcontent or a miscreant?

[jfish26]

all your blubbering and blathering aside. i already pay enough for television entertainment. i'm not going to pay anymore. simple as that.

Another good point by Mich.

As a matter of marketing and consumer choices and such, this latest policy may have quite the potential to blow up in Netflix’s face.

It could perhaps, but I know they did the research for years prior to making the decision. It was a choice based on how much they thought they were losing by password sharing.

I kind of feel like they hit a peak, anyway. I bet their focus goes into quality content. Becoming an actual full blown movie and tv studio, for example.

There's also the licensing side.

I'd imagine Netflix's own costs (for third party content) are tied to volume of streaming (however that is calculated). If that's true, then password sharing is a double whammy (cuts at revenue, increases costs).

[Shirley]

I guess I am alone in thinking that Netflix is ok to try and protect against password sharing?

We all know what's really going on.

I absolutely think they should try to prevent it.

I think their tactic they revealed is a little short sighted, but I'm surprised about how much public pushback there has been to this. I absolutely believe most people just want to keep freeloading. I'm not sure why Netflix is so in the wrong here.

I can't think of any reason why Netflix shouldn't be free:

Netflix annual operating expenses for 2022 were $25.983B, a 10.55% increase from 2021.
Netflix annual operating expenses for 2021 were $23.503B, a 15.15% increase from 2020.
Netflix annual operating expenses for 2020 were $20.411B, a 16.29% increase from 2019.

[ousdahl]

Re: near universal disdain, was anyone cheering on Lars when Metallica’s lawyers came after Napster?

Actually, yea I guess. The other night beav mentioned his mom got pissed back in the day when he was “stealing” Metallica songs off the internet. (lol ya right Beav you’re way too dorky for Metallica you were downloading Hansen weren’t ya?)

But if we can pretty much all agree public libraries are a good thing, I wonder if we could ever get to the point we could just all collectively be able to enjoy the arts as some sorta public resource, rather than having to fuss about some private bidness’s decision to weed out freeloaders? What if access to Napster (or similar streaming service) was included with your library card? Nah, it’s better our tax dollars keep buying bombs instead.

And just wondering out loud now, but, at what point does it count as freeloading? Like, what if the next policy is that a mom watching movies has to pay a separate Netflix fee if the kids are watching cartoons on another device in the same room?

Or is that already a thing? I dunno. Fortunately Beav and I tend to agree on which cartoons to watch.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Re: near universal disdain, was anyone cheering on Lars when Metallica’s lawyers came after Napster?

Actually, yea I guess. The other night beav mentioned his mom got pissed back in the day when he was “stealing” Metallica songs off the internet. (lol ya right Beav you’re way too dorky for Metallica you were downloading Hansen weren’t ya?)

But if we can pretty much all agree public libraries are a good thing, I wonder if we could ever get to the point we could just all collectively be able to enjoy the arts as some sorta public resource, rather than having to fuss about some private bidness’s decision to weed out freeloaders? What if access to Napster (or similar streaming service) was included with your library card? Nah, it’s better our tax dollars keep buying bombs instead.

And just wondering out loud now, but, at what point does it count as freeloading? Like, what if the next policy is that a mom watching movies has to pay a separate Netflix fee if the kids are watching cartoons on another device in the same room?

Or is that already a thing? I dunno. Fortunately Beav and I tend to agree on which cartoons to watch.

A to unpack, but a public library card does give you access to streaming services apps, including movies and music, and a la carte music albums. You should go check your local branch's website out.

If you're sharing passwords with people that aren't in your household, that's where freeloading starts for me. Netflix has almost always charged more to stream from multiple devices rather than 1. A lot of live streaming apps are the same. We've accepted that for awhile.

Why shouldn't the content creators be compensated? This goes for the local jam bands you've been stealing from, too.

[jfish26]

Re: near universal disdain, was anyone cheering on Lars when Metallica’s lawyers came after Napster?

Actually, yea I guess. The other night beav mentioned his mom got pissed back in the day when he was “stealing” Metallica songs off the internet. (lol ya right Beav you’re way too dorky for Metallica you were downloading Hansen weren’t ya?)

But if we can pretty much all agree public libraries are a good thing, I wonder if we could ever get to the point we could just all collectively be able to enjoy the arts as some sorta public resource, rather than having to fuss about some private bidness’s decision to weed out freeloaders? What if access to Napster (or similar streaming service) was included with your library card? Nah, it’s better our tax dollars keep buying bombs instead.

And just wondering out loud now, but, at what point does it count as freeloading? Like, what if the next policy is that a mom watching movies has to pay a separate Netflix fee if the kids are watching cartoons on another device in the same room?

Or is that already a thing? I dunno. Fortunately Beav and I tend to agree on which cartoons to watch.

A to unpack, but a public library card does give you access to streaming services apps, including movies and music, and a la carte music albums. You should go check your local branch's website out.

If you're sharing passwords with people that aren't in your household, that's where freeloading starts for me. Netflix has almost always charged more to stream from multiple devices rather than 1. A lot of live streaming apps are the same. We've accepted that for awhile.

Why shouldn't the content creators be compensated? This goes for the local jam bands you've been stealing from, too.

I will say, it's sort of amusing watching all the VC bros invent cable, all over again.

[ousdahl]

It’s not stealing if they’re OK with being recorded in the first place.

That’s why the Grateful Dead is the most documented band ever.

But maybe it’s a matter of getting more idiots like me to take more advantage of public library resources, thus prompting more resources to public libraries, thus making the for-profit media streaming service debates obsolete.

Or, let the free market decide this, and render public libraries obsolete instead.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Re: near universal disdain, was anyone cheering on Lars when Metallica’s lawyers came after Napster?

Actually, yea I guess. The other night beav mentioned his mom got pissed back in the day when he was “stealing” Metallica songs off the internet. (lol ya right Beav you’re way too dorky for Metallica you were downloading Hansen weren’t ya?)

But if we can pretty much all agree public libraries are a good thing, I wonder if we could ever get to the point we could just all collectively be able to enjoy the arts as some sorta public resource, rather than having to fuss about some private bidness’s decision to weed out freeloaders? What if access to Napster (or similar streaming service) was included with your library card? Nah, it’s better our tax dollars keep buying bombs instead.

And just wondering out loud now, but, at what point does it count as freeloading? Like, what if the next policy is that a mom watching movies has to pay a separate Netflix fee if the kids are watching cartoons on another device in the same room?

Or is that already a thing? I dunno. Fortunately Beav and I tend to agree on which cartoons to watch.

A to unpack, but a public library card does give you access to streaming services apps, including movies and music, and a la carte music albums. You should go check your local branch's website out.

If you're sharing passwords with people that aren't in your household, that's where freeloading starts for me. Netflix has almost always charged more to stream from multiple devices rather than 1. A lot of live streaming apps are the same. We've accepted that for awhile.

Why shouldn't the content creators be compensated? This goes for the local jam bands you've been stealing from, too.

I will say, it's sort of amusing watching all the VC bros invent cable, all over again.

Yeah, it's hilarious. What we need is to pay one company one monthly fee to give access to all of these services!

[jfish26]

A to unpack, but a public library card does give you access to streaming services apps, including movies and music, and a la carte music albums. You should go check your local branch's website out.

If you're sharing passwords with people that aren't in your household, that's where freeloading starts for me. Netflix has almost always charged more to stream from multiple devices rather than 1. A lot of live streaming apps are the same. We've accepted that for awhile.

Why shouldn't the content creators be compensated? This goes for the local jam bands you've been stealing from, too.

I will say, it's sort of amusing watching all the VC bros invent cable, all over again.

Yeah, it's hilarious. What we need is to pay one company one monthly fee to give access to all of these services!

And then, five years after that, god damn it can we please just buy this stuff a la carte?

(Repeat until the inevitable heat death of the universe.)

[CrimsonNBlue]

I will say, it's sort of amusing watching all the VC bros invent cable, all over again.

Yeah, it's hilarious. What we need is to pay one company one monthly fee to give access to all of these services!

And then, five years after that, god damn it can we please just buy this stuff a la carte?

(Repeat until the inevitable heat death of the universe.)

It's always great at first, like Netflix was when they were the only player.

That said, the one thing I think the cable companies always got wrong and can't go back to are the lengthy contracts.