COVID-19 - On the Ground

[DCHawk1]

It was not that long ago in a previous incarnation of this forum that any lib citing The Lancet Medical Journal was immediately ridiculed because in 1998 The Lancet published an article by Gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield who reported that his team had found a “genuinely new syndrome”—a link between the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and an increased risk of autism. (They subsequently admitted their mistake and retracted the article in 2004.)

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”
Sun Tzu

Good to know it's a credible source, again.

Nah

[Shirley]

Randy is like the Black Knight in the Holy Grail.

lol

[japhy]

"Participation Victory Laps" (PVLs) seem to be a growing thing. They seem to be popular amongst the head in the sand conspiracy theory crowd. These are probably some of the same people who screamed about "participation trophies". It would be ironic if it wasn't such an obvious next move by the delusional trump followers.

[randylahey]

Victory laps are nice. Those of us that didn't throw common sense away and allow ourselves to be manipulated have earned them. Especially when half the world was screaming at you, trying to shut you down and cancel you

[randylahey]

And the victory laps will continue. The biggest "i told you so" of our lives. Evidence just keeps pouring in from all directions that "conspiracies" were really just common sense that contradicted big government/big pharmas political power trip they used covid to get

[randylahey]

[japhy]

If anyone would be an expert on vaccines, it would be a Dr of English Lit.

Isn't she the one who got her last book canceled by the publisher because of problems with her facts not being....well; factual?

Definitely take a participation victory lap with Dr Wolf, she is a good standard bearer for your cause.

[jfish26]

Randy's just playing Rube Talking Point and Scare Word BINGO, seems like.

[japhy]

Sadly, I think he might actually think these twitter feed headlines are incendiary breakthroughs of "information". I am guessing that once again he didn't read any part of the report linked to see if they substantiated the claims of the tweetmonger.

He is a fascinating case study in advanced rubeiotics.

[defixione]

. . . and I'm still waiting for the Fauci exposé.

[jfish26]

. . . and I'm still waiting for the Fauci exposé.

Spoiler alert, I guess - that will follow the typical "it's coming, just you wait" to "well actually all of the information is actually out there, if you're just smart enough to see it" progression.

[PhDhawk]

Ignorance has been weaponized.

Randy is but one dumb bullet.

[randylahey]

Not even the new York times?? Lol

[defixione]

Do free thinkers not understand what science is?

[twocoach]

Not even the new York times?? Lol

Did you read the word in BOLD RED?

[KUTradition]

i wonder why mask mandates might have been ineffectual?

[KUTradition]

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/future ... -infection

I think Jefferson — an Oxford University epidemiologist who has a number of eccentric and flatly nonsensical opinions about Covid-19, including that it didn’t originate in China and may have been circulating in Europe for years before its global emergence — is overstating his case. There is something we can learn from the Cochrane paper, but it’s as much about the process of science as it is about the effectiveness of masks.
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The review includes 78 studies. Only six were actually conducted during the Covid-19 pandemic, so the bulk of the evidence the Cochrane team took into account wasn’t able to tell us much about what was specifically happening during the worst pandemic in a century.

Instead, most of them looked at flu transmission in normal conditions, and many of them were about other interventions like hand-washing. Only two of the studies are about Covid and masking in particular.

Furthermore, neither of those studies looked directly at whether people wear masks, but instead at whether people were encouraged or told to wear masks by researchers. If telling people to wear masks doesn’t lead to reduced infections, it may be because masks just don’t work, or it could be because people don’t wear masks when they’re told, or aren’t wearing them correctly.

There’s no clear way to distinguish between those possibilities without more original research — which is not what a meta-analysis of existing work can do.
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One of the largest studies of mask-wearing during the Covid pandemic was conducted in Bangladesh, with more than 170,000 people in the intervention group and similar numbers in the control group. The authors studied a series of public announcements and mask distributions which raised the frequency of mask-wearing. In the end, around 40 percent of the experimental group wore masks, compared to around 10 percent in the control group.

The result, the study found, was a substantial reduction in the share of people with Covid-19-like symptoms, and in antibodies that would suggest a Covid-19 infection: “In surgical mask villages, we observe a 35.3% reduction in symptomatic seroprevalence among individuals ≥60 years old ... We see larger reductions in symptoms and symptomatic seropositivity in villages that experienced larger increases in mask use.”…

[twocoach]

All I know is that our household was the healthiest it has ever been when we had to wear masks in public and society was wiping stuff down regularly. Now, we are back to my wife and kids all being sick all winter.

[MICHHAWK]

so why don't you go back to wearing the mask when you are out in public.

[twocoach]

so why don't you go back to wearing the mask when you are out in public.

Because I think getting a harmless cold/bug isn't a bad thing in the scheme of things and it's my kid and my wife who run the highest exposure as they are around snotty kids all day, not me. I venture out into public maybe once a day. My daughter won't wear a mask all day at school/dance anymore and it doesn't matter much if the 18 kids around her aren't. My wife wears a mask when she teaches if her student is displaying any sort of illness symptoms so that helps. But it has been a noticeable return to seasonal illnesses since mask mandates ended for sure.