COVID-19 - On the Ground

[MICHHAWK]

the world has moved on. if you are still stuck in 2021. put your m25 mask on. pin a do not disturb sign on your blouse.

the rest of us are open for business.

[PhDhawk]

Coronavirus Today: The problem with the lab leak theory

https://www.latimes.com/science/newslet ... irus-today

[jfish26]

Coronavirus Today: The problem with the lab leak theory

https://www.latimes.com/science/newslet ... irus-today

I'll do my own research, thanks.

[Deleted User 863]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

[MICHHAWK]

those of us that do not have blinders on know.

[jfish26]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

[jfish26]

those of us that do not have blinders on know.

Anyone here purporting to "know" is not a serious person.

[KUTradition]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

one side is following the available data

the other side?

[Deleted User 863]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

The lab leak theory folks are almost all republicans. They want it to be a lab leak so they can tell the Dems they were wrong. The Dems don't want the Pubs to be correct, so they have taken the other side. Like always.

Just a totally fucked up political environment in our country right now.

My uncle died from covid, a healthy in shape 60 something year old. He died because he wasn't going to take some vaccine the Dems were pushing on him to take. Dumb. It cost him his life.

[Deleted User 863]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

one side is following the available data

the other side?

That's not really what is happening at this point.

[jfish26]

What is interesting to me, but not surprising, is that one side so badly wants it to be a lab leak, while the other side so badly wants it to have come from an animal.

I don't think we will ever know the truth. China isn't going to dislose anything they don't want to disclose. If they want to hide the origins or mislead, then they will.

Personally, at this point, it doesn't make much difference to me where it originated. I don't think we will ever have indisputable evidence either way.

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

The lab leak theory folks are almost all republicans. They want it to be a lab leak so they can tell the Dems they were wrong. The Dems don't want to Pubs to be correct, so they have taken the other side. Like always.

Just a totally fucked up political environment in our country right now.

My uncle died from covid, a healthy in shape 60 something year old. He died because he wasn't going to take some vaccine the Dems were pushing on him to take. Dumb. It cost him his life.

I agree.

[KUTradition]

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

one side is following the available data

the other side?

That's not really what is happening at this point.

actually, it is

you’re just choosing to see it alternatively

there are folks on either side of the aisle, and those with no political dog in the fight, that are following the data

your “two sides” both contain people that aren’t following the actual data

[Deleted User 863]

Not sure I'm saying anything you're not, but - by and large, the "lab leak" folks seem to want it to be true not for any substantive reason as pertaining to virology or prevention/mitigation or research or whatever. They want it to be true because it would let them wear their isolationist costumes, and take their broader global conspiracy theories out for a walk.

I think it's incredibly important to understand how this happened. I don't think any serious person would say that either the zoonotic OR the lab leak provenance is implausible. I don't think any serious person would say that a combination of those provenances is implausible.

The lab leak theory folks are almost all republicans. They want it to be a lab leak so they can tell the Dems they were wrong. The Dems don't want to Pubs to be correct, so they have taken the other side. Like always.

Just a totally fucked up political environment in our country right now.

My uncle died from covid, a healthy in shape 60 something year old. He died because he wasn't going to take some vaccine the Dems were pushing on him to take. Dumb. It cost him his life.

I agree.

I think if the Dems were pushing the lab leak theory than nearly all republicans would take the other side.

[jfish26]

The lab leak theory folks are almost all republicans. They want it to be a lab leak so they can tell the Dems they were wrong. The Dems don't want to Pubs to be correct, so they have taken the other side. Like always.

Just a totally fucked up political environment in our country right now.

My uncle died from covid, a healthy in shape 60 something year old. He died because he wasn't going to take some vaccine the Dems were pushing on him to take. Dumb. It cost him his life.

I agree.

I think if the Dems were pushing the lab leak theory than nearly all republicans would take the other side.

Sure, absolutely. The Rs' animating desire is owning the libs.

You're seeing it now with the SVB stuff - the Rs are jamming it through the "wokeness" nonsense, because absolutely everything right now must be put into culture war terms.

[MICHHAWK]

every morning that i get up. brush my teeth. have a shower. go off to work. by that alone. for that day. i have owned almost very lib that i know.

owning the libs ain't that hard to do.

[TDub]

I agree.

I think if the Dems were pushing the lab leak theory than nearly all republicans would take the other side.

Sure, absolutely. The Rs' animating desire is owning the libs.

You're seeing it now with the SVB stuff - the Rs are jamming it through the "wokeness" nonsense, because absolutely everything right now must be put into culture war terms.

I think youre viewing it through tainted lens.


Yes...the repubs are focused almost solely on "owning the libs" in many areas.

But....as demonstrated here and throughout the country...a large chunk of the Dems are driven to showcase their intelligence and "prove" how dumb the repubs are....and will go beyond reasonable lengths and expend entirely too much effort on making that point.

Everything has become team sports and its fucking terrible, wrong, and strangling our country.

[jfish26]

every morning that i get up. brush my teeth. have a shower. go off to work. by that alone. for that day. i have owned almost very lib that i know.

owning the libs ain't that hard to do.

Somewhere in there, do you say a little prayer for me?

[Overlander]

those of us that do not have blinders on know.

Anyone here purporting to "know" is a fucking moron

[jfish26]

those of us that do not have blinders on know.

Anyone here purporting to "know" is a fucking moron

Calls to mind:

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

based upon all your stories. it's possible you are the @$$hole/moron. you are the common denominator.

something to think about. something to reflect on.

Yes, I am an asshole/moron and yes I am the common denominator but.......
I'm not the sick one breathing on others.
I'm the one with pre-existing health issues, as well as someone who cares for an elderly parent, and shows up to work preferring not to get sick, wishing that others who don't give a fuck would show an ounce of caring and respect for their fellow co-workers.
Sorry if I feel I have the right to bitch about that, and I would expect and understand if people felt the same as I do if they were in the same situation/s.