Bill Self w/ 2

[PhDhawk]

Gross. Just hanging banners for woulda been a 1 seed now?


Being a 1 seed doesn't = national champion.

Being the best team on paper doesn't = national champion.

Should Baylor hang a banner too? They were going to be a 1 seed and were definitely one of the best teams.


Personal preference obviously, but seems silly to me. There was no national champion that year because no tournament was held. That's okay with me. I think canceling it was the right move at the time.

Being the #1 seed overall is not the same as being A 1 seed.

Being ranked #1 in the nation after 30+ games means more than just being best on paper.

I mean, until the 1990s this is how EVERY college football champion was determined.

If you don't want to recognize that team that's fine. But don't minimize the things they ACTUALLY did accomplish.

Sorry. Had to take you off ignore real quick.

Nobody is minimizing their accomplishments. At all. But winning a national title is not something they accomplished.

Not sure what college football 30+ years ago has to do with anything?


We were definitely the "best" team in CBB in 19-20. Unfortunately college basketball didn't get to crown a narional champion due to covid. And the NCAA chose not to pick a champion based on media and coaches voting.

I do wish that entire team would have returned to handle their unfinished business. Which was an option.

You did. You said we looked best on paper. Ignoring the 31 games we actually played in which we looked the best.

You remarked that we were A 1 seed, we were going to be the overall #1 seed, and were ranked #1.

You tried to downplay our accomplishments, like you always do. You always gotta be the fun killing devil's advocate.

It's like saying last years team won >20 games, and then I get mad because they won 34 and a national title...and then you're like, hey man, I'm giving them credit, they did win >20 games after all.

[Deleted User 863]

Back to ignore you go. Nit picking word choice.

Being the overall #1 seed is not how national champions are crowned in CBB.

You really struggle when people don't agree with your OPINIONS.

[Deleted User 863]

Also PhD: I have been one of this year's teams biggest advocates. It's been others killing the fun. Which you seem to take no issue with. And I'm not the only 1 who has that opinion about 19-20.

[DCHawk1]

Gross. Just hanging banners for woulda been a 1 seed now?


Being a 1 seed doesn't = national champion.

Being the best team on paper doesn't = national champion.

Should Baylor hang a banner too? They were going to be a 1 seed and were definitely one of the best teams.


Personal preference obviously, but seems silly to me. There was no national champion that year because no tournament was held. That's okay with me. I think canceling it was the right move at the time.

We woulda won and everyone knows it.

[TDub]

they should've juat had the damn tournament

[DCHawk1]

so if this years tourney is cancelled. do you favor recognizing alabama above all. they are the #1 seed overall. they are ranked #1 in the nation.

i bet you don't.

Who are you asking?

Cuz I, for one, don't give a fuck.

[DCHawk1]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

This. Hanging a banner for it puts us in the KSU echelon. No thanks. We have actual titles that we can claim. Make a nice section in AFH dedicated to the lost tourney of 2020 and that team and call it good.

FFS. It wasn't a serious suggestion. Just cuz Illy doesn't know the difference between message boards and real life doesn't mean everyone has to be a friggin dumbass.

[ramjet]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

That's something the Kittens would do

[DCHawk1]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

That's something the Kittens would do

LOL

You say that as if there's the remotest chance in hell that they'd ever be in the position we were in in 2020.

[Deleted User 863]

My goodness. Take a deep breath DC. You and PhD are bordering on meltdown status over this. We are all entitled to an opinion on this topic.

[jfish26]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

That's something the Kittens would do

The Helms banners say that this is something we do.

[Shirley]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

That's something the Kittens would do

The Helms banners say that this is something we do.

^^^

Key word being "we".

"We" are also frequently the subject of derision* by nearly everyone else for doing so.


*derision, noun contemptuous ridicule or mockery

[jfish26]

That's something the Kittens would do

The Helms banners say that this is something we do.

^^^

Key word being "we".

"We" are also frequently the subject of derision* by nearly everyone else for doing so.


*derision, noun contemptuous ridicule or mockery

Like I said, I'd be 100% good with not claiming those to be anything like an NCAA title.

All I'm saying is that, if we claim those, we might as well claim being the mythical 2019-20 national champions. As was pointed out elsewhere in the thread, schools do that for pre-BCS football "championships" all the time.

[TDub]

While I agree the Natty was likely ours to lose in 2020, I fear awarding ourselves a title we didn't actually win would make our program appear kinda desperate, which we are not.

That's something the Kittens would do

The Helms banners say that this is something we do.

good grief. That was the method of crowning a champion (retroactively or not) that was recognized at the time.

We shouldn't add anything for 2020. We were robbed and the tournament shouldve been held.


Also odd that the guy that wants college sports to be pro sports and AFH to be a glitzy spiffy mall.....somehow doesn't want banners from 1922 and 1923 because.......what? they ruin the integrity of the game....or they were bought or what? laughable.

[Sparko]

Kansas was no. 1 after the final game of the 2020 season. The season happened.

[TDub]

but the tournament did not.....and no champion was crowned via the recognized method of today.

it was a terrific season, one we had as good a shot to win as anytime in my lifetime. But....it didn't happen....it should've, but it didnt.

[AlOerter]

Helms was all there was back then. There was no post-season tournament til 1939.

[TDub]

right...which is why the comparison is apples and oranges

[Shirley]

The Helms banners say that this is something we do.

^^^

Key word being "we".

"We" are also frequently the subject of derision* by nearly everyone else for doing so.


*derision, noun contemptuous ridicule or mockery

Like I said, I'd be 100% good with not claiming those to be anything like an NCAA title.

All I'm saying is that, if we claim those, we might as well claim being the mythical 2019-20 national champions. As was pointed out elsewhere in the thread, schools do that for pre-BCS football "championships" all the time.

I'm totally fine recognizing the team somehow, they were robbed, but, it happens. Just not with a banner or anything else claiming a "Championship".

(But, what do I know?)

[KUTradition]

i personally think the Helms banners should be changed to indicate that they’re “special”

or, Self just needs to win a few more so there isn’t enough space for all of them and the first two get moved