God and government

[Deleted User 62]

I have reviewed the evidence and data I have available to me and I am comfortable with my opinion of the situation. Thanks!

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"GOD" means different things to different people.

[twocoach]

I have reviewed the evidence and data I have available to me and I am comfortable with my opinion of the situation. Thanks!

Perfectly fine answer. If only that answer was acceptable for everyone. Ha.

Ive tried that answer and got drilled at every turn about it.

As long as people keep their religion to themselves and keep it out of my life and the laws I and the rest of the community I live in have to follow, I have no issue with others finding comfort, community and happiness by attending church and/or believing in some higher power. Good for them.

But with 8 zillion different religions, the vast majority of which directly contradicting each other, to treat is any one of them as some sort of actual truth is very dangerous. The Bible is an interesting work of historical fiction in my opinion. Treating it as anything more than that is like treating the Harry Potter books as non-fiction.

Again, just my opinion.

[twocoach]

I have reviewed the evidence and data I have available to me and I am comfortable with my opinion of the situation. Thanks!

^^^^^^^

"GOD" means different things to different people.

So does the word "wicked".

[Deleted User 89]

I have reviewed the evidence and data I have available to me and I am comfortable with my opinion of the situation. Thanks!

Perfectly fine answer. If only that answer was acceptable for everyone. Ha.

Ive tried that answer and got drilled at every turn about it.

As long as people keep their religion to themselves and keep it out of my life and the laws I and the rest of the community I live in have to follow, I have no issue with others finding comfort, community and happiness by attending church and/or believing in some higher power. Good for them.

But with 8 zillion different religions, the vast majority of which directly contradicting each other, to treat is any one of them as some sort of actual truth is very dangerous. The Bible is an interesting work of historical fiction in my opinion. Treating it as anything more than that is like treating the Harry Potter books as non-fiction.

Again, just my opinion.

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

and as Dawkins said, with all the religions in the world there are really only three logical options - all of them are true, none of them are true, or one of them is true

[Deleted User 62]

Sums it up pretty well.

[zsn]

In the name of "God"......admittedly done on "behalf" of Jesus, by "Christians".

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/loui ... hate-crime

[Deleted User 183]

I have a novel idea. You want to say "God"? Say God. You don't want to say "God"? Don't say God.
People want to criticize you either way? Fuck 'em. Fuck everyone in this country who actually gives a fuck if someone says "God" or not. To each their own - and if I live in a country where people are forced to say "God", then that's example #456,982,543 why this country sucks - at times.
Have a great day!

[dolomite]

Just have to have faith. Why not?.......no harm, no foul. Unless you're Shirls and it damages your self respect.

[twocoach]

I have a novel idea. You want to say "God"? Say God. You don't want to say "God"? Don't say God.
People want to criticize you either way? Fuck 'em. Fuck everyone in this country who actually gives a fuck if someone says "God" or not. To each their own - and if I live in a country where people are forced to say "God", then that's example #456,982,543 why this country sucks - at times.
Have a great day!

We aren't talking about random conversations in every day life. There are countless examples of it being forced on people, be it through public office oaths or kids being required to say The (revised) Pledge at school.

[seahawk]

So, let me see if I can get this straight.

The point of the oath one swears is to tell the truth.

If one doesn't believe in God, isn't swearing "So help me God," starting off one's testimony with a lie?

[dolomite]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

[jhawks99]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So you're advocating for a religious test? Why do you hate the constitution?

[dolomite]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So you're advocating for a religious test? Why do you hate the constitution?

What?? Belief in God does not require one to be religious. It’s about separation of church and state, not God and state.

[Deleted User 62]

You are trying way too hard

[dolomite]

You are trying way too hard

Actually not.

[ousdahl]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So you're advocating for a religious test? Why do you hate the constitution?

What?? Belief in God does not require one to be religious. It’s about separation of church and state, not God and state.

what about Allah and state?

[seahawk]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So, in your scenario, atheists don't get to testify?

Or, aren't required to tell the truth? Or what?

[Deleted User 89]

and what if they believe in multiple gods?

[twocoach]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So, in your scenario, atheists don't get to testify?

Or, aren't required to tell the truth? Or what?

He's not trying very hard to sort out the details of his absurdity. If he did then "take it out and the problem is solved" would be the answer.

Has someone who believes in God ever been offended that "so help me God" wasn't in their oath? Would kids feel less patriotic if the Pledge of Allegiance was returned to it's original form without "under God" in it? No on both accounts is my guess.

[dolomite]

That’s why “one” would have to affirm that they are not an atheist before taking the oath.

So, in your scenario, atheists don't get to testify?

Or, aren't required to tell the truth? Or what?

He's not trying very hard to sort out the details of his absurdity. If he did then "take it out and the problem is solved" would be the answer.

Has someone who believes in God ever been offended that "so help me God" wasn't in their oath? Would kids feel less patriotic if the Pledge of Allegiance was returned to it's original form without "under God" in it? No on both accounts is my guess.

Splitting hairs, mountains out of molehills, all in a days work for liberals. lol