2023-2024 lineup

[InfiniteJ]

Grimes left and the following year KU was the best team in college basketball.

[randylahey]

recruiting has suffered because of the never ending investigation.

We had 3 mcdonalds all americans this season. And another highly touted 4 star. And Kevin mccullar.. one of the best transfer available. I think recruiting is fine

[NewtonHawk11]

Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

I thought the same, but 2022 cured a lot. But it hasn't been the prettiest.

GM Bill is rough. Coach Bill is top notch.

[NewtonHawk11]

recruiting has suffered because of the never ending investigation.

We had 3 mcdonalds all americans this season. And another highly touted 4 star. And Kevin mccullar.. one of the best transfer available. I think recruiting is fine

Hamburger AAs when they don't fit is 10x worse than regular recruits who fit very well together. See 2022. 1 Hamburger AA, McCormack. Ochai, Braun, Dajuan, Jalen and more were just regular recruits. Nothing special.

[Mjl]

Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

No. Name a coach who has been a better GM.

[ousdahl]

Yesufu gone now

Up to 2 spots open now. Going to be all in on the transfer market now. A shooter and a big.

is the big just an assumption?

i’d think a couple prototypical combo guards that can shoot a bit (and aren’t midgets) would be the targets…a guy that can play on ball or off, coupled with a bigger “wing”

Pretty sure this describes our incoming freshmen

[Back2Lawrence]

Udeh
KJ
MJ
Elmarko
Dajuan

or something. We'll be in the transfer game too. And, why not, maybe some unexpected return/s.

and dunno if we keep any of Bobby/Yes/Zach/Cam/Cuffe

Fyp

[KUTradition]

Up to 2 spots open now. Going to be all in on the transfer market now. A shooter and a big.

is the big just an assumption?

i’d think a couple prototypical combo guards that can shoot a bit (and aren’t midgets) would be the targets…a guy that can play on ball or off, coupled with a bigger “wing”

Pretty sure this describes our incoming freshmen

i actually had that same thought

but, they’re very obviously unproven

[jfish26]

Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

No. Name a coach who has been a better GM.

I love Bill, but: lots of them, frankly?

18-19 - Arguably the worst team of Bill's era (101 minutes (!) per game for Vick/Grimes/Garrett/Moore)

19-20 - (sigh)

20-21 - Not good, 83 minutes per game for Garrett/Thompson/Harris/Enaruna/Grant-Foster

21-22 - Not good until Remy caught a heater

22-23 - Bench gave us nearly nothing

To be clear: maybe, with all of that, we have still been the best team over that span. It's possible!

But that's Coach Bill, not GM Bill. These have NOT been very good rosters.

[ousdahl]

All that GM Self criticism coincidentally coincides with the F the NCAA thread

[jfish26]

The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

[Mjl]

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

No. Name a coach who has been a better GM.

I love Bill, but: lots of them, frankly?

18-19 - Arguably the worst team of Bill's era (101 minutes (!) per game for Vick/Grimes/Garrett/Moore)

19-20 - (sigh)

20-21 - Not good, 83 minutes per game for Garrett/Thompson/Harris/Enaruna/Grant-Foster

21-22 - Not good until Remy caught a heater

22-23 - Bench gave us nearly nothing

To be clear: maybe, with all of that, we have still been the best team over that span. It's possible!

But that's Coach Bill, not GM Bill. These have NOT been very good rosters.

He's getting a nice blend of talent and experience. He's never used his bench much. Some players didn't work out as expected - just like with every team and coach.

[Mjl]

The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

RussRob was not much better than Garrett or Harris.
Not even "better".
I'd say not even equal.

[jfish26]

The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

RussRob was not much better than Garrett or Harris.
Not even "better".
I'd say not even equal.

Russell left a lot on the table, individually. I personally think he would have done better than Garrett and Harris did, in the too-big roles they ended up in.

[twocoach]

the best part is that we no longer have to be tortured by the "joe vs bobby" blather.

We will always be tortured by the (player a) vs. (player b) blather. The players change every year but the torture always continues.

[randylahey]

The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

RussRob was not much better than Garrett or Harris.
Not even "better".
I'd say not even equal.

Russell left a lot on the table, individually. I personally think he would have done better than Garrett and Harris did, in the too-big roles they ended up in.

Russ is so underrated. I agree with you man. Russ played on a stacked team, so the individual numbers were never there. But he was rock solid

[AlOerter]

Russell was one of my all time favorite PG's at KU.

[pdub]

21-22 not good until Remy caught a heater isn’t correct.

We were 6th in Kenpom going into the NCAA tourney. I don’t consider his B12 tournament very heater.

Two guys went first round NBA draft.
One was a 1st team AA.
That’s pretty good.

We finished 3rd in Kenpom.

[pdub]

Also Russ Rob wasn’t much better than Dajuan.

Gtfo with this RussRob legend business.
Did RussRob ever win B12 DPOY?

Harris in his junior year had more PPG, more APG, more SPG at a better FG percentage than senior RussRob.

And I’d argue RussRobs FG percentages and assists were bolstered because of the stacked squad around him. Easier to get buckets next to Rush, Chalmers and Shady.

[AlOerter]

Back on the thread title, I'd like to see us have at least 3 good (not average) 3 point shooters. Watching the tournament it seems like teams that advance (haven't actually checked the numbers) have more than one good 3 point shooter. The game is going that way and this year's team just wasn't consistent from 3.