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[pdub]

Yes, Feral is correct.
I prefer quartz for my big picture news and my local station and paper for everything else.

I used to love the Christian Science Monitor when it was a daily paper. Very few pages but condensed well written articles. I could read it on my subway commute and be done with most of it when I got off the train.

And gutter, I said when “not” speaking about international news. I think NPR does a good job on the radio for international news. And for sure, their front page is an example of what they report about on the radio too. It is why I stopped listening. I used to listen daily and contribute annually.

[ousdahl]

NPR is far more transparent than other programs.
Their content has leaned too far left ( gasp, yes ) for me to listen for stretches but they are very much still reputable - or moreso than a number of other sources for news.

What sort of content do you perceive as too far left on npr?

This will be met with finger pointing and accusation and labeling here but it’s first the stories they cover and then the angle they take. I find it left leaning and I still consider myself “left”.

It’s very prevalent in their radio reporting when not speaking about international news.

For example, and I expect some passive aggressive vitriol, on their front page now their stories are Kansas banning transgender athletes from women’s sports, Idaho banning medication and surgery for minors who want to transition gender, a NC legislator switching parties to the GOP that will “create a path to stricter abortion laws” and airline riders will be in rougher weather due to climate change.

Most of you will respond “that’s not left leaning news! That’s just facts!” And you’ll be wrong in my opinion.

And then randy will think I’m on his side and say something like, “see! Elon Musk was right!” And he’ll be wrong.

Umm bro.

But stories about banning transgender athletes and stricter abortion laws are actually RIGHT leaning news! It wouldn’t even be in the news otherwise!

Tho, climate change news is, yea, may be just something closer to facts. What you seem to be suggesting is either you don’t think climate change is happening in a way that warrants news stories about it, or you’d just rather not hear about it?

But thanks for at least giving me an explanation. My mom said the same thing - that NPR is “just too radically far left!” - and when I asked for examples, she basically said something like, “I dunno, I’ve never actually listened to it, that’s just some talking point I heard on Fox News”

In my view, NPR is still pretty right-leaning about most things, at least in some grander scheme, and compared to much of the rest of the world. At the end of the day, all that megacorporate underwriter money has to have some influence, right? There’s some Qusdahl meme out there like “listening to economic coverage on npr is like listening to a true crime podcast but they never identify the murderer”

The one thing NPR has going for it that I DO like is, it’s one of the only news outlets that just reports news in some neutral journalistic tone, rather than shouting the news like there should be some some emotional appeal to it.

[pdub]

Umm bro.

But stories about banning transgender athletes and stricter abortion laws are actually RIGHT leaning news! It wouldn’t even be in the news otherwise!

Tho, climate change news is, yea, may be just something closer to facts. What you seem to be suggesting is either you don’t think climate change is happening in a way that warrants news stories about it, or you’d just rather not hear about it?

But thanks for at least giving me an explanation. My mom said the same thing - that NPR is “just too radically far left!” - and when I asked for examples, she basically said something like, “I dunno, I’ve never actually listened to it, that’s just some talking point I heard on Fox News”

In my view, NPR is still pretty right-leaning about most things, at least in some grander scheme, and compared to much of the rest of the world. At the end of the day, all that megacorporate underwriter money has to have some influence, right? There’s some Qusdahl meme out there like “listening to economic coverage on npr is like listening to a true crime podcast but they never identify the murderer”

The one thing NPR has going for it that I DO like is, it’s one of the only news outlets that just reports news in some neutral journalistic tone, rather than shouting the news like there should be some some emotional appeal to it.

No.
Sorry, I just won't be able to explain it to you.
I know your whole deal.

[ousdahl]

You sure won’t be able to.

[Shirley]

Pathetic.

[pdub]

Correction.
Titter.

[TDub]

now thats something I can support

[TDub]

and npr as right leaning...lol Q is a caricature of a caricature

[ousdahl]

NPR is more left than most American media, for sure.

But they’re still, yes, right-leaning about a lot of things.

Despite the usually neutral tone, they’re often still pro-war, pro-imperial, pro-Merican exceptionalism on the world stage, even tho Merica might be the most militant assholes the world has ever seen, and even tho Merica is still the kinda place to expel black lawmakers but not white ones in Tennessee.

They’re still often pro-capital, pro-corporate, pro-“free market,” pro- I legit heard an economic story the other day for which they led off like, “(chipper tone) corporate profits are at an all-time high! But (tone changes to concerned) will they be able to sustain that now that workers think they should get higher wages too?”

But, yes, they can still be more left my American standards, at least in an inclusive way. They’ll have stories other media wouldn’t touch, like, “here’s a human interest piece about what it’s like to be a minority in America”

Bear in mind, what mainstream America thinks of as “radial leftist” is, by some bigger world standard, something closer to a right-leaning centrist.

Or, since PDub wasn’t able to, maybe TDub can kindly explain why he thinks NPR is too far left. And please offer examples to demonstrate you’ve actually consumed NPR at some point too, rather than just acting like my mom about it.

And, if you aren’t able to, well then…who’s the caricature here, again?

[TDub]

did I say it was too far left? its left leaning for sure.

I listen to npr once or twice a week, plus occasionally some sponsored podcasts

you are still the caricature.

[ousdahl]

Thanks, mom.

[TDub]

yep, that outta do it. well done

[KUTradition]

NPR is more left than most American media, for sure.

But they’re still, yes, right-leaning about a lot of things.

Despite the usually neutral tone, they’re often still pro-war, pro-imperial, pro-Merican exceptionalism on the world stage, even tho Merica might be the most militant assholes the world has ever seen, and even tho Merica is still the kinda place to expel black lawmakers but not white ones in Tennessee.

They’re still often pro-capital, pro-corporate, pro-“free market,” pro- I legit heard an economic story the other day for which they led off like, “(chipper tone) corporate profits are at an all-time high! But (tone changes to concerned) will they be able to sustain that now that workers think they should get higher wages too?”

But, yes, they can still be more left my American standards, at least in an inclusive way. They’ll have stories other media wouldn’t touch, like, “here’s a human interest piece about what it’s like to be a minority in America”

Bear in mind, what mainstream America thinks of as “radial leftist” is, by some bigger world standard, something closer to a right-leaning centrist.

Or, since PDub wasn’t able to, maybe TDub can kindly explain why he thinks NPR is too far left. And please offer examples to demonstrate you’ve actually consumed NPR at some point too, rather than just acting like my mom about it.

And, if you aren’t able to, well then…who’s the caricature here, again?

how much if the rest of the world have you actually visited?

or is your opinion of left/right leaning based primarily on your social media feeds?

[KUTradition]

i listen to npr usually at least once per day, but occasionally up to three times

i don’t share your opinion…at all

[Sparko]

Rove wrested control over the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's board in 2001, which changed NPR to a mostly right leaning news agency, complete with former Fox journalists. It got pretty bad there for awhile. It has corrected its shift a bit lately. I used to listen frequently, but Morning Edition is a both sides are right waste of time in the main. I grew up with All Things Considered and Jazz in the Night.

[ousdahl]

Admittedly my international travel is limited. Just Canada LOL and that barely counts.

If I may point it out, there's a certain...incongruence or irony or something? to be a proponent of broadening one's views through international travel, but to vilify broadening ones' views through social media. Either way, it's just broadening one's views.

Social media is only as scary as you want to make it. And vilifying social media is the exact same energy as vilifying international travel. At the very least, it's not like I've spent my entire life having never been further than my hometown county lines.

I think the vilification of social media comes from the fact most people use social media not to broaden themselves and seek new perspectives, but only to validate existing ones. And, again, it's not like I spend all my time searching "why my hometown is the best place ever," trust me.

As I’ve been transparent about all along, yea, some of my views have been radicalized (eek!) by pink-haired bisexual commie babes on the gram, and various other they/them types. Believe it or not, it turns out the world is a much bigger place than can fit within a two-party system, especially one so heavily corrupted by money.

And, also like I’ve maintained all along, I still take they/them with a grain of salt. My views are far from dogmatic here. For real, if somebody has an objectively better take about something, feel free to change my mind!

I still listen to NPR a lot too. I still think it's among the more objective media around. If nothing else, I like the just-report-the-news-without-shouting vibes. And thanks, trad, for pointing out that you don't share my opinion. This time around, it's keeping me grounded, and makes me realize maybe NPR doesn't have to exhaustively report every single protest and people's uprising everywhere all the time.

But yes, my view that NPR is further right than most folks realize, comes largely from the fact they/them exposed me to views that are further left than my previously “liberal” self ever realized was possible. Apparently, there's something inappropriate to that happening as a result of networking on social media. But, would it be OK if that happened as a result of jet-setting around the world?

Put another way, it's such a bad thing I met Qusdahl online, but if I happened to sit down next to they/them and start chatting it up at like a cafe in Paris or Buenos Aries or Ho Chi Minh City or wherever, that would be so much better?

And, I think it was feral they/themself who repeated just recently, “reality leans left.” I’m just trying to get the biggest picture possible here.

Think of it this way - if you were an extraterrestrial and you showed up to Earth with no previous understanding and started trying to make sense of the place, how would you perceive it? You have no established views to validate, you're just learning it all for the first time. (put another another way, this may be along the lines of what the zen masters call "beginner's mind.")

If anyone can prove me wrong, please do!

(for real, when did lobster ever say that?!)

[TDub]

it would mean more if it weren't just fucking bullshit.


no matter how many times you type that to make yourself feel better.....the fact is, you dont live it. At least not on here. You've had numerous opportunities with numerous poster provided validated views and sources that are contradictory to your repeated claims and yet.....you dont absorb those, consider those or otherwise do anything other than double down on your exact same meme and algorithm influenced opinion.

^^^^ that is why you are being compared to lobster.

[TDub]

if you want proof there is 120 pages of it in one thread. not too mention the hundreds of pages and posts scattered about the rest of the site.

[ousdahl]

sigh.

let's just try to keep looking forward here.

TDub, next time you feel that someone proves me with validated views and sources that are contradictory to my claims and yet I don't absorb or consider them, please do call me out.

[TDub]

sigh is right.


I do..often. to no avail.

and I'm done with you again.