This Team

[ousdahl]

ksu was missing their shots.
they made em in the 2nd half.
someone is going to say 'because Vick was in' but he wasn't the reason why ksu was hitting their shots.
people just want a culprit.

( grimes 5 turnovers, 1 rebound. dedric misses 9 shots, 4 turnovers. dotson misses 7 shots, 4 turnovers -- but but Vick!!! ya'all are embarrassing )

Dangit y’all are right

[sdoyel]

You had 3 frosh starters turn the ball over 13 times. That’s the culprit.

[pdub]

Right.
Agbaji was worse on the stat sheet than Vick ( 6 pts, 4 reb, 0 assists, 4 turnovers ) but he's cool.
GET VICK OUT! KICK HIM OFF THE TEAM!

[holidaysmore]

I’m not blaming Vick. He is who he is. It was unrealistic to expect a fourth option and some what of a questionable background to be the man. Blame Self. He took him back.
This team lacks a leader. Zero accountability. Clearly Self isn’t getting through to them. Neither are the assistants. This team is a bunch of nice guys who when things get tough back down and collapse but what do you expect from three freshman who have never been in these type of situations before.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I’m not blaming Vick. He is who he is. It was unrealistic to expect a fourth option and some what of a questionable background to be the man. Blame Self. He took him back.
This team lacks a leader. Zero accountability. Clearly Self isn’t getting through to them. Neither are the assistants. This team is a bunch of nice guys who when things get tough back down and collapse but what do you expect from three freshman who have never been in these type of situations before.

This is exactly right. It's a lot easier to stomach it from freshmen, but yes, a large portion of the struggles this season fall on Bill botching his GM role for the 2018, 2019, and possibly 2020 season.

[pdub]

I see your 'fourth' option dig and raise you this:
He is averaging the same PPG/more PPG than Svi and Malik last season on better FG%.
As i've said before, he's a great 3rd option but a below average 2nd.

[ousdahl]

The worst thing about Vick how is he a fuckin senior net looss of leadership on the court and off

[CrimsonNBlue]

You had 3 frosh starters turn the ball over 13 times. That’s the culprit.

Yet Bill still wanted them out there over the senior.

[pdub]

Player A
14.5 PPG, 50% FG, 46% 3FG, 4 RPG, 1.9 APG
Player B
14.6 PPG, 43% FG, 44% 3FG, 3.9 RPG, 2.7 APG
Player C
14.2 PPG, 46% FG, 41% 3FG, 5 RPG, 2.1 APG

Would you say that one is significantly better than the other?
One of those players is also a focal point of an offense without a Devonte Graham, without a Frank Mason, so it is easier to focus on him.

[sdoyel]

I’m taking player A due to better FG percentages.

[pdub]

You just picked Vick.

[sdoyel]

A guy shooting 50% from the floor should be shooting more. 14.5ppg isn’t enough.

[pdub]

If Vick shot more, 90% of you on here would be loosing your shit even more than you are now.

[pdub]

Player A 11 FGA/PG.
Player B 12.1 FGA/PG.
Player C 10.3 FGA/PG.

[sdoyel]

When is the players only meeting happening?

[sdoyel]

If Vick shot more, 90% of you on here would be loosing your shit even more than you are now.

I’m with you. I’ve given Vick some shots, but I’m also on the side of “how do we win basketball games with Vick on our bench?”

[pdub]

I haven't given up.
OSU, @ TCU and WVU.
Win those 3 and see where we are at.

Drop any of of those and I might be joining the likes of CnB and doyel.

[pdub]

And if you take care of those, you've got the @ Tech, which loomed for us last season, and we stole it ( with Vonte's trick shots ).

[CrimsonNBlue]

If Vick shot more, 90% of you on here would be loosing your shit even more than you are now.

I’m with you. I’ve given Vick some shots, but I’m also on the side of “how do we win basketball games with Vick on our bench?”

I'd be much happier with Vick if he went 4 of 17 tonight.

[pdub]

LOL.
No you wouldn't.