Another mass shooting

[jfish26]

Very similar percentages compared against very different population sizes is skewed data

Wut? The whole point of percentages is to smooth out problems caused by comparing different sample sizes.

Per cent.

One part of every hundred.

Thats odd. You guys told me the exact opposite when it came to covid percentages and overall deaths. For 3 years you told me to focus on the overall deaths, not low percentage numbers

You're comparing apples to hand grenades.

Percentages are used here to illustrate that murder rates are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states. This is like saying, which is also true, that Covid mortality rights are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states.

Of course, we also disagree about whether the gross (counting number) figures are acceptable results, or not.

[randylahey]

Wut? The whole point of percentages is to smooth out problems caused by comparing different sample sizes.

Per cent.

One part of every hundred.

Thats odd. You guys told me the exact opposite when it came to covid percentages and overall deaths. For 3 years you told me to focus on the overall deaths, not low percentage numbers

You're comparing apples to hand grenades.

Percentages are used here to illustrate that murder rates are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states. This is like saying, which is also true, that Covid mortality rights are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states.

Of course, we also disagree about whether the gross (counting number) figures are acceptable results, or not.

I guess it just depends which perspective helps your argument more? You'll flip real quick. No logic, just bias

[KUTradition]

fundamental lack of understanding

[jfish26]

Thats odd. You guys told me the exact opposite when it came to covid percentages and overall deaths. For 3 years you told me to focus on the overall deaths, not low percentage numbers

You're comparing apples to hand grenades.

Percentages are used here to illustrate that murder rates are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states. This is like saying, which is also true, that Covid mortality rights are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states.

Of course, we also disagree about whether the gross (counting number) figures are acceptable results, or not.

I guess it just depends which perspective helps your argument more? You'll flip real quick. No logic, just bias

What are you talking about? The math is the math. The murder rate in right-leaning states is higher than the murder rate in left-leaning states.

[randylahey]

You're comparing apples to hand grenades.

Percentages are used here to illustrate that murder rates are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states. This is like saying, which is also true, that Covid mortality rights are higher in right-leaning states than in left-leaning states.

Of course, we also disagree about whether the gross (counting number) figures are acceptable results, or not.

I guess it just depends which perspective helps your argument more? You'll flip real quick. No logic, just bias

What are you talking about? The math is the math. The murder rate in right-leaning states is higher than the murder rate in left-leaning states.

Dajuan harris is about a 2 percent better 3 point shooter on his career than ochai agbaji was also. Who's the better shooter? Math is math right

Sometimes you need to look more into data than just finding the first numbers you can that support how you feel about something

[randylahey]

If you want to do an honest evaluation of the murder in this country, look into the areas its the highest. You quoted rates of like 5 or 8 per 100,000. But if you analyze the cities, which is where most murders happen, the murder rates are closer to 20 per 100000 or higher

[randylahey]

And then, analyze the data on who is committing most of those murders. You won't like what you find though. There is one demographic in this country, found in both red and blue states, that makes up about 1/10 of the population but commits over 1/2 the murders....

[jfish26]

I guess it just depends which perspective helps your argument more? You'll flip real quick. No logic, just bias

What are you talking about? The math is the math. The murder rate in right-leaning states is higher than the murder rate in left-leaning states.

Dajuan harris is about a 2 percent better 3 point shooter on his career than ochai agbaji was also. Who's the better shooter? Math is math right

Sometimes you need to look more into data than just finding the first numbers you can that support how you feel about something

You're going about this all sideways-like, but let's take it out for a walk.

I think the murder rate statistic is support for these two statements:

1 - MAGA talking points blaming Democrats for crime are misleading
2 - Looser gun laws lead to higher murder rates

So. Please "look more into data" and refute the murder rate statistic as support for those statements.

[jfish26]

If you want to do an honest evaluation of the murder in this country, look into the areas its the highest. You quoted rates of like 5 or 8 per 100,000. But if you analyze the cities, which is where most murders happen, the murder rates are closer to 20 per 100000 or higher

This was a page back, guess you didn't do your own research enough.

Red States = Higher Murder Rates

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/27/murder ... can-states

BUT, do these statistics read out people who were going to die anyway?

How come we cannot look at states individual numbers? And which states were included or excludes in this data lol

The underlying study and data are linked. But here, let me do it for you:

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two ... er-problem

https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Of note (because I'm quite aware of what your stupid playbook says to do next):

Even when large cities are removed from red states, murder rates are still higher.

Some on the right argue that murder rates in red states are higher because of the blue cities in those red states. Of course, blue states have more blue urban areas than red states. That is what makes most states blue. The fact is that murder rates have increased in urban, suburban, and rural areas.

But to answer these critics, we performed an exercise to give red states a special boost. For this exercise, we removed all of the murders in the county with the largest city for 19 of 25 red states. In six rural red states home to no cities with large numbers of murders, this calculation was not possible based on available CDC data.2 Blue states would get no such advantage. But even with the largest city removed from red states, the Red State murder gap persisted.

Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years.

Between 2010 and 2020, even after removing New Orleans and Jackson, Louisiana and Mississippi continued to hold the number one and two spots for highest murder rates. Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee were still consistently in the top 10 after removing their largest city.

In 2020, the states with the highest murder rates stayed roughly the same after making this change: Mississippi in first, then Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, Maryland, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Georgia.

[jfish26]

And then, analyze the data on who is committing most of those murders. You won't like what you find though. There is one demographic in this country, found in both red and blue states, that makes up about 1/10 of the population but commits over 1/2 the murders....

Please do share your thoughts on why the black crime rate is so much higher.

[randylahey]

Jfish you keep looking for an outlier in the murder statistics but are scared to say the obvious one

Hint: its not democrats or Republicans. But there is one group this country that only makes up about 1/10 the population yet somehow commits over 1/2 the murders, a completely disproportional amount

[randylahey]

And then, analyze the data on who is committing most of those murders. You won't like what you find though. There is one demographic in this country, found in both red and blue states, that makes up about 1/10 of the population but commits over 1/2 the murders....

Please do share your thoughts on why the black crime rate is so much higher.

Its not because they have more access to guns or more guns. They don't. Its a combination of shitty variables that work against black culture

[jfish26]

And then, analyze the data on who is committing most of those murders. You won't like what you find though. There is one demographic in this country, found in both red and blue states, that makes up about 1/10 of the population but commits over 1/2 the murders....

Please do share your thoughts on why the black crime rate is so much higher.

Its not because they have more access to guns or more guns. They don't. Its a combination of shitty variables that work against black culture

So, if access to guns was more limited, black murder rates would not go down.

That's quite a hypothesis. What's the data or evidence supporting it?

[randylahey]

Please do share your thoughts on why the black crime rate is so much higher.

Its not because they have more access to guns or more guns. They don't. Its a combination of shitty variables that work against black culture

So, if access to guns was more limited, black murder rates would not go down.

That's quite a hypothesis. What's the data or evidence supporting it?

They have the same access to guns as other races. But somehow commit more murder than all other groups combined. Despite being outnumbered about 9-1

[randylahey]

And. The black population lives primarily in urban areas. Where gun laws are stricter. Such as new York or Chicago for example

[randylahey]

So jfish, the one demographic that is truly an outlier in gun violence in this country, statistically, is black people. Thats just based on homicide numbers.

If you research the way that demographic of registered black voters you'll find:

61% democrat
13% democrat lean

Compared to

7% republican
4% republican lean

Inconvenient truth

[randylahey]

But I do not blame either dems or Republicans for gun violence. Or any demographic. There are a lot of factors that go into all that. But fish trying to blame Republicans is just utter nonsense, so that blows apart his stats

[jfish26]

Its not because they have more access to guns or more guns. They don't. Its a combination of shitty variables that work against black culture

So, if access to guns was more limited, black murder rates would not go down.

That's quite a hypothesis. What's the data or evidence supporting it?

They have the same access to guns as other races. But somehow commit more murder than all other groups combined. Despite being outnumbered about 9-1

You're off on a tangent again. Focus. Let's try multiple choice:

1. If access to guns was more limited, the black murder rate would:

(a) go up
(b) stay the same
(c) go down

2. If access to guns was more limited, the murder rate (regardless of demographic factors) would:

(a) go up
(b) stay the same
(c) go down

[jfish26]

But I do not blame either dems or Republicans for gun violence. Or any demographic. There are a lot of factors that go into all that. But fish trying to blame Republicans is just utter nonsense, so that blows apart his stats

Blame math, not me.

The murder rate in right-leaning states exceeds the murder rate in left-leaning states, even when controlling for "urban areas" in red states.

[KUTradition]

one party is trying to limit gun deaths

what’s the other party doing?