Israel/Palestine

[ousdahl]

Yea.

While there isn’t necessarily a problem in itself with any ethnic nation, I’m not sure if any ethnic nation has ever existed without also meaning oppression of the non-ethnic/secular types.

Where’s that line supposed to be drawn?

And, in our freedom-and-democracy loving west, how do we reconcile ethnic (and/or religious) nations witu our founding fathers establishing a gummint that is (at least supposed to be) explicitly not that?

[ousdahl]

And not that mjl is willing to have a dialogue with me, but just in case he happens to see this:

If you want answers to your questions, do your own research. Go look up “Israelis oppressing Palestinians/Christians/non-Zionist Jews/etc” and it’s all out there, now documented about as well as “police brutalizing POC” is now documented in Merica.

[KUTradition]

A plurality of Israeli Jews are secular. How are they discriminated against? Just that they have to serve in the military (which Arabs and ultra-orthodox Jews are allowed to but don't have to do)?

There are definitely some racist Israelis. There are racists in every country.

Non-Israelis are treated differently. Arab Israelis (Muslims, Christians, Druze) have full rights though.

it’s an anecdote, so grain of salt…

but, i recently heard an interview with secular Israelis (both working in the sciences) that were so troubled/terrified of the current political direction that they were actively laying the groundwork for a “Plan B” exodus…even going so far as to secure citizenship in other countries. this was a mother and father that were being interviewed, but they indicated that theirs isn’t a unique story

i’ll see if i can find it, but it was about a week ago i heard it

i don’t think their objection was military service or anything like that, but rather active discrimination against them and their children

[Mjl]

I have friends there that are considering the same thing because of the politics there. They do fear that right wingers, due to their political allegiance to ultra-orthodox parties just because of how their parliamentary system works, will make it more of a religious nation.

But we're not there yet. Not to the point of anything I would consider discrimination.

[DCHawk1]

Oh.

[jhawks99]

Kevin thinks that the USA was founded on all people being equal?

[DCHawk1]

THAT'S what you took from the post?

[DCHawk1]

Also, he's right. "Dedicated to the proposition..."

[jhawks99]

THAT'S what you took from the post?

giggle

[japhy]

Also, he's right. "Dedicated to the proposition..."

"Dedicated" is a strong word, it would indicate a singular focus. How about "predicated on the proposition".

[Shirley]

Also, he's right. "Dedicated to the proposition..."

"Dedicated" is a strong word, it would indicate a singular focus. How about "predicated on the proposition".

/thread

[DCHawk1]

Also, he's right. "Dedicated to the proposition..."

"Dedicated" is a strong word, it would indicate a singular focus. How about "predicated on the proposition".

Take it up with this guy:

[DCHawk1]

THAT'S what you took from the post?

giggle

no?

[Shirley]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Montana legislature being run by republicans...

Montana rabbi removed from state House prayer schedule

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Montana legislature being run by republicans...

Montana rabbi removed from state House prayer schedule

Perhaps she should be invited?

https://abc7chicago.com/localish-black- ... /10364568/

[Mjl]

This would be a "big fucking deal" if Joe can make it happen.
Hell, be bipartisan, ask Jared to help, he did great last time.

[Shirley]

[ousdahl]

I thought this thread bump was gonna be about that Palestinian-American journalist who was killed by Israeli forces, and her family is accusing the US and Israeli gummints of dragging their feet about investigating, as reported by NPR this morning.

[Mjl]

Normally I can't stand performative, meaningless votes by Congress. But I found this meaningful, especially on the Democratic side, where it shows that the ignorant and/or antisemitic ones are the (vocal) minority.

[ousdahl]

Umm

No offense bro, but I dunno if the issue of whether Israel is a racist apartheid state can be settled with a performative meaningless vote by congress

(Not that mjl will read this)