Foreign aid to ukraine

[KUTradition]

lol

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021 ... in-ukraine

[japhy]

These prolly go here.

https://www.newsweek.com/did-ukraine-ba ... st-1790578

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ls-bought/

[KUTradition]

randy is broken

[randylahey]

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

The point of your sharing that is what? To show how big of an idiot Rand Paul is?

[ousdahl]

Not that I’m necessarily siding with randy, but he’s prob at least wondering the right things. Randy, if I may offer you advice - if you really wanna troll, avoid the kooky unverified social media accounts. The folks will just mock you for that shit.

Stick to the REAL Putin propaganda, like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the state department and such. That way you can really win the folks over, just like Qusdahl did.

The thing is! the rest of you guys sure do seem confident in a military industrial complex that’s failed five audits in a row.

And let’s once again giggle at how quickly Ukraine went from “a corrupt country with a pandora paper president and a Nazi problem” to “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy”

[Sparko]

Well Ous, Manafort and Russia did corrupt Ukraine for their own purposes. It still has corruption as does America. But Ukraine as a sovereign nation has a history far longer than Russia and the US. It deserves a chance to develop its own well regulated government. It needs to survive the latest imperial genocide to do so.

[TDub]

Not that I’m necessarily siding with randy, but he’s prob at least wondering the right things. Randy, if I may offer you advice - if you really wanna troll, avoid the kooky unverified social media accounts. The folks will just mock you for that shit.

Stick to the REAL Putin propaganda, like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the state department and such. That way you can really win the folks over, just like Qusdahl did.

The thing is! the rest of you guys sure do seem confident in a military industrial complex that’s failed five audits in a row.

And let’s once again giggle at how quickly Ukraine went from “a corrupt country with a pandora paper president and a Nazi problem” to “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy”

please show your work. Please be specific.

[ousdahl]

please show your work. Please be specific.

Here’s an article by the New York Kremlin admitting they’ve been deceiving their readers about the whole Nazis in Ukraine thing.

and the whole…um…this angle…

Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History

Troops’ use of patches bearing Nazi emblems risks fueling Russian propaganda and spreading imagery that the West has spent a half-century trying to eliminate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/worl ... raine.html

New York Times once again publishing Nazis in Ukraine….but this time it’s saying it out loud and everything!

They even mention journalists deceiving their audience about it!

And, holy shit, the way they present the whole Nazis in Ukraine thing as bad, but not cuz Nazis are bad, but just cuz it makes for bad propaganda….woof!

Here’s a take from the Kremlin Post suggesting the whole point of the Ukraine war is some “windfall” to benefit someone “other than the Ukrainians”

Meanwhile, for the United States and its NATO allies, these 18 months of war have been a strategic windfall, at relatively low cost (other than for the Ukrainians).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... est-gloom/

Here’s a bunch of bangers about how Ukraine is an antisemitic humanitarian crisis, straight from the kremlin:

from 2018: a good 4 years before anyone accused Qusdahl of being a Russian spambot:

https://khanna.house.gov/media/press-re ... ism-europe


from 2016:

https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/US-lifts ... tia-441884

https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... ding-bill/ (passed the House by unanimous vote?!)


2014:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukrai ... rs-n198961


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there's all sorts of shit out there about this. It's that it was just never a bigger story until it was, and once it was, anyone concerned about it is ridiculed as a bad-guy sympathizer.

Want me to keep going?

Or do you think at some point you should just stop going full illy?

[TDub]

has anyone debated that there are small pockets of white nationalists in Ukraine? We have hundreds of pages about all of this.

and Full illy? you sure its me going full illy?


These threads make me miss Illy, he was a pleasure to read compared to the pile of manure accumulated in these 2 threads.

[twocoach]

Not that I’m necessarily siding with randy, but he’s prob at least wondering the right things. Randy, if I may offer you advice - if you really wanna troll, avoid the kooky unverified social media accounts. The folks will just mock you for that shit.

Stick to the REAL Putin propaganda, like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the state department and such. That way you can really win the folks over, just like Qusdahl did.

The thing is! the rest of you guys sure do seem confident in a military industrial complex that’s failed five audits in a row.

And let’s once again giggle at how quickly Ukraine went from “a corrupt country with a pandora paper president and a Nazi problem” to “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy”

The only people who describe Ukraine as “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy” are people who get butt hurt about having people argue with them.

[jfish26]

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/169 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

[mjl2]

Not that I’m necessarily siding with randy, but he’s prob at least wondering the right things. Randy, if I may offer you advice - if you really wanna troll, avoid the kooky unverified social media accounts. The folks will just mock you for that shit.

Stick to the REAL Putin propaganda, like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the state department and such. That way you can really win the folks over, just like Qusdahl did.

The thing is! the rest of you guys sure do seem confident in a military industrial complex that’s failed five audits in a row.

And let’s once again giggle at how quickly Ukraine went from “a corrupt country with a pandora paper president and a Nazi problem” to “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy”

The only people who describe Ukraine as “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy” are people who get butt hurt about having people argue with them.

Actually there's nobody saying that. Nobody at all. Anybody who could read this thread and think that's what people are saying is either being intentionally manipulative or dumb as fuck.

[ousdahl]

ok, so maybe that particular verbiage was a tad hyperbolic. Sorry, I thought you guys would realize that.

but, come on! mjl has pushed the "this is a clear battle between good and evil" sort of rhetoric about Ukraine as much as/maybe more than anyone else. As if global politics can be reduced to comic book hero storylines.

More so, anyone suggesting Ukraine as anything less than "the good guys" with only the purest and most noble intentions has got, and still gets, an awful lot of hell for it.

and, mjl, you prob won't read this, but kindly spare us the "intentionally manipulative" fuss. You've tried to gaslight me as much as/maybe more than anyone else in the history of the boreds.

[ousdahl]

has anyone debated that there are small pockets of white nationalists in Ukraine? We have hundreds of pages about all of this.

and Full illy? you sure its me going full illy?


These threads make me miss Illy, he was a pleasure to read compared to the pile of manure accumulated in these 2 threads.

out of sincere concern I come across as "full illy," forgive me if I have. Now, let me just articulate how frustrating it is that I really have tried to "show my work" yet no one seems to notice.

The only reason I called you full illy is cuz you've been displaying the illy-esque tendency to take something and beat it to death - "please be specific!" - and seem to do so not out of any meaningful attempt to discuss anything, but only out of mocking antagonism.

When I asked you to be specific, it's cuz you keep alleging some mass of evidence I've been ignoring, when I simply don't think that's the case! Again, if it is, please do call me out. I don't mean to ignore anything, and am always looking for the next change to completely upend my world views.

After all, I am on record as being willing to eat crow.

Or, should we say, crauw.

[ousdahl]

Not that I’m necessarily siding with randy, but he’s prob at least wondering the right things. Randy, if I may offer you advice - if you really wanna troll, avoid the kooky unverified social media accounts. The folks will just mock you for that shit.

Stick to the REAL Putin propaganda, like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the state department and such. That way you can really win the folks over, just like Qusdahl did.

The thing is! the rest of you guys sure do seem confident in a military industrial complex that’s failed five audits in a row.

And let’s once again giggle at how quickly Ukraine went from “a corrupt country with a pandora paper president and a Nazi problem” to “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy”

The only people who describe Ukraine as “a buncha choir boys promoting freedom and democracy” are people who get butt hurt about having people argue with them.

you're damn right I'm butthurt!

if somebody called you a Putin spambot over and over, you would be too.

and since I really need to still do this: fuck Putin. I condemn his needledickery.

ESPECIALLY when everybody calling me a Putin spambot hasn't ever, even once, tried to answer the still-outstanding question of why the WMDs in Iraq dipshits are suddenly being so honest about the Ukraine narrative?

[twocoach]

ok, so maybe that particular verbiage was a tad hyperbolic. Sorry, I thought you guys would realize that.

but, come on! mjl has pushed the "this is a clear battle between good and evil" sort of rhetoric about Ukraine as much as/maybe more than anyone else. As if global politics can be reduced to comic book hero storylines.

More so, anyone suggesting Ukraine as anything less than "the good guys" with only the purest and most noble intentions has got, and still gets, an awful lot of hell for it.

and, mjl, you prob won't read this, but kindly spare us the "intentionally manipulative" fuss. You've tried to gaslight me as much as/maybe more than anyone else in the history of the boreds.

You've had this same rant for months and have gotten the same response for months. Supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia does not require support of all aspects of everything related to Ukraine. A sovereign nation should not be invaded by a foreign nation and their citizens should not be raped, tortured, mutilated, kidnapped and imprisoned. Period.

The fact that some people who live in or even fight for Ukraine may individually be truly horrible people does not change that. Period.

[twocoach]

has anyone debated that there are small pockets of white nationalists in Ukraine? We have hundreds of pages about all of this.

and Full illy? you sure its me going full illy?


These threads make me miss Illy, he was a pleasure to read compared to the pile of manure accumulated in these 2 threads.

out of sincere concern I come across as "full illy," forgive me if I have. Now, let me just articulate how frustrating it is that I really have tried to "show my work" yet no one seems to notice.

The only reason I called you full illy is cuz you've been displaying the illy-esque tendency to take something and beat it to death - "please be specific!" - and seem to do so not out of any meaningful attempt to discuss anything, but only out of mocking antagonism.

When I asked you to be specific, it's cuz you keep alleging some mass of evidence I've been ignoring, when I simply don't think that's the case! Again, if it is, please do call me out. I don't mean to ignore anything, and am always looking for the next change to completely upend my world views.

After all, I am on record as being willing to eat crow.

Or, should we say, crauw.

Show us your work towards what? What specifically are you working towards? You should probably figure that out before you get mad it isn't happening.

Are you trying to convince us there are some scumbag Nazi-minded assholes in the Ukrainian Army? No shit. I suspect they have them a similar % that exists in the US Army, which if someone ever figured out an accurate % would probably be alarmingly high.

Are you trying to convince us that their % of Nazi assholes is large enough that we should pull military and financial support and let the Russian Army overrun their nation and rape, pillage and murder them out of existence? You aren't going to accomplish that so stop having it as a goal if it is one.

[jhawks99]

ok, so maybe that particular verbiage was a tad hyperbolic. Sorry, I thought you guys would realize that.

but, come on! mjl has pushed the "this is a clear battle between good and evil" sort of rhetoric about Ukraine as much as/maybe more than anyone else. As if global politics can be reduced to comic book hero storylines.

More so, anyone suggesting Ukraine as anything less than "the good guys" with only the purest and most noble intentions has got, and still gets, an awful lot of hell for it.

and, mjl, you prob won't read this, but kindly spare us the "intentionally manipulative" fuss. You've tried to gaslight me as much as/maybe more than anyone else in the history of the boreds.

You've had this same rant for months and have gotten the same response for months. Supporting Ukraine in their fight against Russia does not require support of all aspects of everything related to Ukraine. A sovereign nation should not be invaded by a foreign nation and their citizens should not be raped, tortured, mutilated, kidnapped and imprisoned. Period.

The fact that some people who live in or even fight for Ukraine may individually be truly horrible people does not change that. Period.

We supported Stalin during WWII, he was no choirboy.

[TDub]

has anyone debated that there are small pockets of white nationalists in Ukraine? We have hundreds of pages about all of this.

and Full illy? you sure its me going full illy?


These threads make me miss Illy, he was a pleasure to read compared to the pile of manure accumulated in these 2 threads.

out of sincere concern I come across as "full illy," forgive me if I have. Now, let me just articulate how frustrating it is that I really have tried to "show my work" yet no one seems to notice.

The only reason I called you full illy is cuz you've been displaying the illy-esque tendency to take something and beat it to death - "please be specific!" - and seem to do so not out of any meaningful attempt to discuss anything, but only out of mocking antagonism.

When I asked you to be specific, it's cuz you keep alleging some mass of evidence I've been ignoring, when I simply don't think that's the case! Again, if it is, please do call me out. I don't mean to ignore anything, and am always looking for the next change to completely upend my world views.

After all, I am on record as being willing to eat crow.

Or, should we say, crauw.

HOLY FUCK.

Are you seriously this dense or are you just playing a role?

1. We have been specific and shown our work and provided sources for 160 fucking pages. You either can't read or choose not to...So yea, I think I understand the frustration. You want 1 example for...specificity? You have rattled on about Nazis for months. I provided verified data about the nazi issue and numbers of nazis in the Ukrainian forces etc. You rolled past that with your meme steamer and now, 8 months later are still swallowing Putin whole and regurgitating the same arguments.

2. Do you know why I'm beating the specific thing to death? Let me spell it out for you since you seem to be completely and totally out of touch with ...everything.
a. Reason 1: You requested for people to please be specific in their responses your unanswerable and impossible stream of consciousness type questions for like 25 posts in a row.
b. For a 160 pages many many people have been specific. You have absolutely not been specific. 95% of the time your drifting out ideas and half asked meme questions and answering questions with generalizations and o data. So its fuckinf ironic to have you be the person to clamor around about needing to be specific
c. I was hoping if I repeated the phrase enough and wandered through typing my posts with no logic or concern for reality and juat hammered the dumbest shit over and over again that maybe one of two things would happen. Either you would get the point and stop your shenanigans about asking for specifics while providing none (shouldve known better), OR perhaps it would be annoying enough to everyone to kill the thread (shouldve known better).