2024

[DCHawk1]

There should be nothing wrong with asking for the estimated time frame of the plan as it relates to Ukraine. I think there should be auditing that is regularly monitored and reported to the public. But the GOP mostly just wants to do the opposite of what Dems want or have done. It's just so vulgar and crass. There's no thought applied to it.

FFS.

You know the overwhelming majority of GOP elected officials AND presidential candidates are 100% on board w/the Biden admin, right?

Talk about 'no thought applied...'

[Shirley]

If continuing to uncover the crimes committed by Trump raises him to cult status then that just proves our entire point. This isn't about right and wrong. This isn't some big conspiracy to overthrow our way of life. It's just some overgrown adult toddlers lashing out for not getting what they want. They dress it up in whatever shiny constitutional gift wrap they can find on the internet but that's all it is.

x 100%

[twocoach]

There should be nothing wrong with asking for the estimated time frame of the plan as it relates to Ukraine. I think there should be auditing that is regularly monitored and reported to the public. But the GOP mostly just wants to do the opposite of what Dems want or have done. It's just so vulgar and crass. There's no thought applied to it.

FFS.

You know the overwhelming majority of GOP elected officials AND presidential candidates are 100% on board w/the Biden admin, right?

Talk about 'no thought applied...'

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/repu ... o-ukraine/

"The findings from another high-quality survey underscore the dramatic fall in Republican support for Ukraine. In the spring of 2022, according to the Pew Research Center, 34% of Republicans thought that the United States wasn’t doing enough to aid Ukraine, while only 17% thought that we were doing too much. By the summer of this year, the share of Republicans who believe that we are doing too much for Ukraine had nearly tripled to 44% while the share who believe we aren’t doing enough had fallen by more than half, to just 14%. Sustaining the current level of funding for Ukraine will be a very hard sell within the GOP.

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Since then, House Republican opposition to spending more for either domestic programs or defense has only hardened, and leading conservatives have called for spending levels even lower than those specified in the debt ceiling agreement. As the CNN survey makes clear, when it comes to Ukraine, opposition to more spending is not confined to the hard-right fringe but rather represents the views of 7 in 10 rank-and-file Republicans."

[JKLivin]

I would buy something with Trump's mugshot on it for posterity, if Trump wouldn't make $ off of it.

I'd love to have one those t-shirts with N__a on it too, although I'm not sure what I would/could do with it.

Apparently a lot of people wanted the same thing. Trump is $7 million richer and counting, per Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/2 ... g-00113118

I am curious. What percentage of people who have bought MAGA hats bought them because they support Trump and MAGA and bought them to actually wear and what percentage of people bought them more as a novelty/"collectors item"?

I would guess 56/44

No clue. The one measurable variable is the $$$.

[jfish26]

Apparently a lot of people wanted the same thing. Trump is $7 million richer and counting, per Politico: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/2 ... g-00113118

I am curious. What percentage of people who have bought MAGA hats bought them because they support Trump and MAGA and bought them to actually wear and what percentage of people bought them more as a novelty/"collectors item"?

I would guess 56/44

No clue. The one measurable variable is the $$$.

As someone who opposes Biden's reelection, are you comfortable with how much 2024 campaign money is going to be used for Trump's legal defense (and related grandiosities like a 757 for travel between private estates and the various courthouses, and multidozen vehicle motorcades everywhere he goes)?

[Sparko]

You know who else's mugshots were popular? Charles Manson. Gary Busey. Trump looks like a Batman villain in his. Orange Julius.

[JKLivin]

I am curious. What percentage of people who have bought MAGA hats bought them because they support Trump and MAGA and bought them to actually wear and what percentage of people bought them more as a novelty/"collectors item"?

I would guess 56/44

No clue. The one measurable variable is the $$$.

As someone who opposes Biden's reelection, are you comfortable with how much 2024 campaign money is going to be used for Trump's legal defense (and related grandiosities like a 757 for travel between private estates and the various courthouses, and multidozen vehicle motorcades everywhere he goes)?

I'm conflicted. It is obvious that the Dims' strategy is to pile on a dumptruck of spurious charges on him to impugn his character, take up time he could be campaigning, and cripple him financially. How do you deal with that when it is politically motivated? I don't have a good answer. It is dirty pool/desperate measures from a party with no good candidate or answers to run on, so I'm inclined to say that the gloves should come off in this instance. On the other hand, there is something to be said for remaining above the fray.

[jfish26]

No clue. The one measurable variable is the $$$.

As someone who opposes Biden's reelection, are you comfortable with how much 2024 campaign money is going to be used for Trump's legal defense (and related grandiosities like a 757 for travel between private estates and the various courthouses, and multidozen vehicle motorcades everywhere he goes)?

I'm conflicted. It is obvious that the Dims' strategy is to pile on a dumptruck of spurious charges on him to impugn his character, take up time he could be campaigning, and cripple him financially. How do you deal with that when it is politically motivated? I don't have a good answer. It is dirty pool/desperate measures from a party with no good candidate or answers to run on, so I'm inclined to say that the gloves should come off in this instance. On the other hand, there is something to be said for remaining above the fray.

I don't think these 91 (and growing) felonies will appreciably move the needle with respect to people's opinion of Trump's character.

[KUTradition]

the lengths people will go to excuse criminal behavior is so fucking sad

[jfish26]

the lengths people will go to excuse criminal behavior is so fucking sad

It's all about the frame, right?

If, despite there existing no evidence (upon many many many investigations) of substantial election fraud, you perceive that Trump did actually win in 2020...and if, despite there existing no evidence (upon many many many investigations) of Biden's corruption, you perceive that Biden is at the top of a mafia-style crime family...then your worldview is so disoriented and discombobulated that imitation Dan Brown novel-style schlock begins to make sense.

[JKLivin]

As someone who opposes Biden's reelection, are you comfortable with how much 2024 campaign money is going to be used for Trump's legal defense (and related grandiosities like a 757 for travel between private estates and the various courthouses, and multidozen vehicle motorcades everywhere he goes)?

I'm conflicted. It is obvious that the Dims' strategy is to pile on a dumptruck of spurious charges on him to impugn his character, take up time he could be campaigning, and cripple him financially. How do you deal with that when it is politically motivated? I don't have a good answer. It is dirty pool/desperate measures from a party with no good candidate or answers to run on, so I'm inclined to say that the gloves should come off in this instance. On the other hand, there is something to be said for remaining above the fray.

I don't think these 91 (and growing) felonies will appreciably move the needle with respect to people's opinion of Trump's character.

I agree for the most part. It is definitely going to have an effect on whether people feel like he is going to be allowed to serve if elected. People don't like messy situations. I'd be thrilled to have a better, more viable candidate to vote for.

[MICHHAWK]

it has always been my position that dt will not be on the ballot in 24. nothing has changed.

now we need to get uncle joe declared unfit.

[jfish26]

it has always been my position that dt will not be on the ballot in 24. nothing has changed.

now we need to get uncle joe declared unfit.

I would think, based on how deeply unpopular you are sure that Biden is, that you would NOT want him (Biden) off the 2024 ballot?

[MICHHAWK]

you would be wrong.

[jfish26]

you would be wrong.

Got it. So you'd rather the Dems run someone you think is MORE likely to win (than Biden) in 2024.

[MICHHAWK]

as long as it ain't dt and uncle joe.

[twocoach]

the lengths people will go to excuse criminal behavior is so fucking sad

Complaining about how corrupt politicians are while blowing off Trump's corruption just shows how unserious they are about their arguments. Mich and Randy don't give a fuck about any of the arguments they are supporting. None of it is based on any sort of principles or consistent logic.

[twocoach]

as long as it ain't dt and uncle joe.

It's going to be both of them.

[jfish26]

the lengths people will go to excuse criminal behavior is so fucking sad

Complaining about how corrupt politicians are while blowing off Trump's corruption just shows how unserious they are about their arguments. Mich and Randy don't give a fuck about any of the arguments they are supporting. None of it is based on any sort of principles or consistent logic.

You just don't understand. The hard law of the universe is that both sides do it exactly the same. So, proof of Trump doing it simply IS proof that Biden does it. So we know Biden does it. It's just a matter of finding it.

[DCHawk1]

There should be nothing wrong with asking for the estimated time frame of the plan as it relates to Ukraine. I think there should be auditing that is regularly monitored and reported to the public. But the GOP mostly just wants to do the opposite of what Dems want or have done. It's just so vulgar and crass. There's no thought applied to it.

FFS.

You know the overwhelming majority of GOP elected officials AND presidential candidates are 100% on board w/the Biden admin, right?

Talk about 'no thought applied...'

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/repu ... o-ukraine/

"The findings from another high-quality survey underscore the dramatic fall in Republican support for Ukraine. In the spring of 2022, according to the Pew Research Center, 34% of Republicans thought that the United States wasn’t doing enough to aid Ukraine, while only 17% thought that we were doing too much. By the summer of this year, the share of Republicans who believe that we are doing too much for Ukraine had nearly tripled to 44% while the share who believe we aren’t doing enough had fallen by more than half, to just 14%. Sustaining the current level of funding for Ukraine will be a very hard sell within the GOP.

...

Since then, House Republican opposition to spending more for either domestic programs or defense has only hardened, and leading conservatives have called for spending levels even lower than those specified in the debt ceiling agreement. As the CNN survey makes clear, when it comes to Ukraine, opposition to more spending is not confined to the hard-right fringe but rather represents the views of 7 in 10 rank-and-file Republicans."

Ah.

So your beef is with voters, not politicians.

Dum dummies won't do what we tell them. So they're dum.

Got it.

Gross.