Uncle Joe

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Joe biden wasting more tax dollars and incentivizing trouble for Americans overseas

This costs us nothing since it is Iranian money. Plus Qatar will distribute it to only humantarian needs. Biden's foreign policy has been extremely effective. Best in our lifetime.

THANK YOU for being another person (like me) who actually took the time to read about this.
randy is what will continue be the downfall of our country. Uniformed assholes who allow themselves to be easily manipulated by people they have no idea who they are - and then share and try and spread their stupidity to others.

[jfish26]

"But there's no evidence *liberal sobbing"

This tweet isn’t evidence. Evidence is evidence. Comer himself has admitted there is not actual evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.

As always: if there’s real evidence, bring it. If Joe Biden has committed crimes, then he should suffer the appropriate consequences. Joe Biden is not above the law.

But there is, at this point anyway, simply no objective, documentary evidence that Joe Biden committed crimes. Just warmed-over supposition and crayon-on-kids-menu connect-the-dots that you hear third- and fourth-hand in your terrarium.

[Shirley]

Oh look at you, defending Reagan!

Let that sink in.

Ok, now that Shirley of all people is done defending ol’ Saint Ronnie - on the issue of breaking the law, read this:

https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/

You read that correctly: Biden decided the broader economy was a bigger priority than 100,000 freight rail workers having any paid sick leave in their next contract. After campaigning as the most pro-union presidential candidate in history, Biden signed into law a measure that makes a rail strike illegal.

Simpletons like Randy find life scary and confusing, so they resort to embracing conspiracy theories that tie things into nice little bundles they can make sense of to make themselves feel better, no matter how implausible.

You, on the other hand, seem to find comfort by resorting to seeing life's complexities in black and white no matter how implausible, eschewing all nuance to make yourself feel righteous and sure. In the process, you regularly challenge and offend people who feel much the same way you do, but lack the gift of certainty you've bestowed upon yourself. Unfortunately, life is nuanced, whether you choose to acknowledge that, or not.

What PATCO did by going on strike was against the law. In retrospect, no matter how much I/we might have agreed with their cause, they overplayed their hand and Reagan was only too happy to seize the opportunity to make an example out of them, and they suffered the consequences of their actions. Life can be like that.

I began working for anti-war, pro-labor democratic candidates in the late 60s and early 70s before I was old enough to vote. My first job in support of a democratic candidate was silk screening yard signs, delivering them to people who requested them, and then picking them up when the election was over. Since then, I have stuffed many envelopes, sat in rooms for hours on multiple occasions during many different elections with like-minded people I didn't know for hours, making calls to registered democrats on long lists I was handed, only to have them hangup on me more times than I can remember. I've walked neighborhoods I never would have ventured into otherwise knocking on many, many doors, as well as organized small-scale fundraisers, among other things I can't recall.

In light of what I've actually done in support of pro-labor candidates, i.e., show up, over the last > 50 years donating time I could have spent in any number of other more enjoyable ways, being called out by a message board warrior like yourself questioning my pro-labor bonafides is, to put it nicely, rich.

first, let me sincerely compliment you for organizing on behalf of labor.

next, I'll thank you for not labeling me a simpleton.

but, fwiw - I do find life scary and confusing. The injustice, the inequality, the struggling of so many despite the abundance of wealth and resources...not to mention the next pandemic, or war, or recession, or natural disaster, or whatever other catastrophe we might encounter.

I also assure you that I think of the pols bored, and life in general, as very overwhelmingly nuanced, and far from black and white.

Like anything, I suppose whether Biden really is "pro-labor" is some matter of nuance too. I'm concerned this pro-labor rhetoric is just that, only rhetoric, and he's actually far cozier with capital than we'd like to admit, or even realize.

And even more generally, I can't help but be leery of any legal system that makes things like strikes illegal - whether for rail workers, or air traffic controllers, or anyone.

and, to wrap this post up for now - no offense meant, but since you mentioned it, I dunno how you can so proudly claim to be anti-war, when you come across as more so hawkish in the war thread now. But then again, I dunno how you can claim to be pro-labor, yet not even acknowledge that Biden signed a law to make a rail strike illegal. Shrug.

I don't mean that as black and white, nor as me trying to be righteous. And I'm definitely not sure of myself, or certain of much of anything at all in this confusing and scary life.

Maybe I AM just a simpleton, after all.

If you can't see a difference between the Vietnam War and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as if the US occupation of Vietnam with > 500,000 troops, a selective service system that made it possible for the well-connected to avoid serving, and the deaths of > 58,000 Americans, and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the same, we have nothing to talk about.

Also, Biden's, (and my), "record" on labor... I attended undergraduate school at Wichita State. When WSU isn't playing KU, I root for them. By not rooting for WSU 100% of the time, does that mean I'm not a fan of WSU?

I rest my case.

[ousdahl]

well, of course there are differences between the Vietnam War and the Russian invasion of Ukraine!

the scarier thought yet tho is - do you think there are any similarities?

[jfish26]

[Shirley]

dang.

So I guess "...if it weren't for Manchin!" will be a helluva campaign pitch for Biden 24.

Yet another example of you posting a ridiculous premise.

Oh, was it a joke? My bad.

Pro tip: Jokes are funny because they deal with things that are true. The 48 republicans who were also against extending the Child Tax Credit want credit too, because "fiscal conservatives"...

Speaking for myself, too often, responding to you frequently means I have to find a source, correct you, and then make my counter argument. No, thanks.

IMO, it shows a lack of respect for other posters here. It shows you're not willing to make the effort to do your own due diligence to avoid making poorly informed posts. It doesn't make you a bad person, but for me, it makes it a drag to interact with you.

If you haven't read the article in the link I posted above from the New Republic about how "democrat" Manchin torpedoed Biden's Build Back Better bill, and Biden had to decide to get most of what he wanted instead of nothing, you might consider it.

[Shirley]

Earlier today:

Sen. Booker Joins Colleagues to Urge Congress to Fight Child Poverty, Expand the Child Tax Credit

[mjl2]

I'm curious about the plan to pay for it

[ousdahl]

yea, sorry Shirley. It was just a joke.*

admittedly, I didn't read that article yet. I've been mostly off the grid fishing with some old buddies since Saturday, and just catching up on shitposting.

fwiw I have a lot of respect for you, and you've always been one of my favorite posters. And besides, in real life we're BFFs.

if I have an attitude, it's cuz I've been RaDiCaLiZeD!!!! by memes, and think status quo politics and partisan ideologies are silly now.




*if there is a satirical commentary meant by the joke, it's that I think the two-party system lends far too much room for politicians to campaign on scapegoating the other side, "at least I'm not the other guy," etc. rather than some system that allows voters to choose less on lesser-of-two-evil partisanships, and more on some candidate and platform voters actually believe in...but alas. It's not your fault that it's not.

Going forward, I'll try to not be such a smartass. But the thing about being a smartass is, it's hard not to sometimes.

[randylahey]

Joe biden wasting more tax dollars and incentivizing trouble for Americans overseas

This costs us nothing since it is Iranian money. Plus Qatar will distribute it to only humantarian needs. Biden's foreign policy has been extremely effective. Best in our lifetime.

Best in our lifetime????? Lollll. Stand up comedian here

[randylahey]

The biden worshippers are getting awfully defensive and unrealistic these days. Probably because of the walls closing in on him revealing he's always been a fraud

[defixione]

How many times have we heard this? Don't advertise, show us the evidence.

[Shirley]

yea, sorry Shirley. It was just a joke.*

admittedly, I didn't read that article yet. I've been mostly off the grid fishing with some old buddies since Saturday, and just catching up on shitposting.

fwiw I have a lot of respect for you, and you've always been one of my favorite posters. And besides, in real life we're BFFs.

if I have an attitude, it's cuz I've been RaDiCaLiZeD!!!! by memes, and think status quo politics and partisan ideologies are silly now.




*if there is a satirical commentary meant by the joke, it's that I think the two-party system lends far too much room for politicians to campaign on scapegoating the other side, "at least I'm not the other guy," etc. rather than some system that allows voters to choose less on lesser-of-two-evil partisanships, and more on some candidate and platform voters actually believe in...but alas. It's not your fault that it's not.

Going forward, I'll try to not be such a smartass. But the thing about being a smartass is, it's hard not to sometimes.

I consider you a friend, too. It was great to meet you. You have a winsome personality, a great sense of humor, and you're easy to be around. I aspire to go fly fishing with you, some day.


First, we need to get the $$$ out of politics, something democrats are much more in favor of than republicans. Good luck. "Citizens United", much?

Then, we need ranked choice voting so candidates who want to win will have to try to appeal to the largest number of voters possible. It would, theoretically, force candidates to be more moderate and less polarizing.

Until we get the $ out of politics, we're stuck with politicians having to go where the money is, to get it. As much as we might not like it, not all politicians are Bernie, and can mount an effective campaign with only small individual donations. Unless and until it doesn't cost so much money to run, it's unrealistic to expect politicians to make the "right" moral decision, that results in their chances of getting elected much less likely.

[jfish26]

How many times have we heard this? Don't advertise, show us the evidence.

If there was good evidence, they’d be showing that. Not tweets about it.

[Shirley]

How many times have we heard this? Don't advertise, show us the evidence.

If there was good evidence, they’d be showing that. Not tweets about it.

^^^

Just saw the ranking member on Comer's House Oversight Committee, Jamie Raskin, (whose hair has grown back), interviewed, and he said the committee has been investigating for 7 months, and still has no evidence to show that Joe Biden was involved in anything illegal.

Nothing. Randy's delusions, not withstanding.

[jfish26]

How many times have we heard this? Don't advertise, show us the evidence.

If there was good evidence, they’d be showing that. Not tweets about it.

^^^

Just saw the ranking member on Comer's House Oversight Committee, Jamie Raskin, (whose hair has grown back), interviewed, and he said the committee has been investigating for 7 months, and still has no evidence to show that Joe Biden was involved in anything illegal.

Nothing. Randy's delusions, not withstanding.

The Canadian girlfriend, the one you met at camp?

She does not exist.

Even if you pay a hobo man to talk like it in falsetto on the phone.

[jfish26]

[Overlander]

How many times have we heard this? Don't advertise, show us the evidence.

Defix shows up to throw a few quick jabs….drops his gloves….and steps back to observe.

Legend

[Shirley]

Child poverty numbers in the United States have skyrocketed from all-time low of 5.2% in 2021 to 12.4% in 2022, reflecting the end of temporary child allowance and other programs. Five million children have been thrown into poverty so a few Democratic Senators like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema could play austerity politics.

"...You're going to see tens of thousands of day care centers close over the next six months..."

[zsn]

I'm curious about the plan to pay for it

The same way we paid for Billionaires Welfare, also euphemistically known as a Tax Cut. I’m sure Booker’s proposal costs less than each of the last five of those scams.

Dems should just say that these tax credits “will pay for themselves” like the Republicans did for the millionaires tax cuts.