DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:41 am
Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:33 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:49 am
I'm always curious about comments like this. What would you have the RNC do? They have an open primary with more than a half-dozen theoretically viable candidates. And Trump's support among GOP voters is at 60% or more.
I don't want the guy to be the GOP nominee either (much less the president) but short of the actuarial tables, what can prevent it?
You'll have to excuse me if I find your effort to cast the RNC, i.e., republicans, as victims in this scenario, difficult to swallow. Perhaps initially, but not anymore.
Prior to even the 2020 presidential election, republicans had at least two chances to stop Trump's lawless, unpatriotic, self-serving, unconstitutional attempts to put an end to our federal republic. For any number of their own "self-serving" reasons, they too chose to put themselves and their political futures ahead of what's good for our country.
A reasonable person might wonder if, or to what extent, that's because they were already engaged in their own decades-long, methodical conspiracy to take over the government through various means such as voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc., allowing a minority of their choice to decide the future direction of our country, while rendering the votes and wishes of the majority of Americans, irrelevant?
With respect to your point -- and to Fish's -- yes, indeed, the RNC made its bed.
But now it doesn't really have any choice but to lie on it.
I think you both underestimate the ferocity of the populism at present among the GOP base -- which, almost by definition, would be further inflamed by top-down efforts to correct the current situation.
So we’ve crossed from fatalism to nihilism, then?
It’s cancer.
You are describing cancer.
From my point of view, the party has two choices: (1) treat (or operate) aggressively, in the hope of resuming a somewhat normal life after a brutal rehab, or (2) palliative care, leaving the patient to be overrun (at least with some normalcy in the end?).
As a once-and-future (?) non-D voter, I favor Choice 1.
I fear that Choice 2 is a double-whammy: not only is the inevitable, macro result that the D side splinters to become the two parties we’ll
have (meaning our entire, grotesque body politic lurches clumsily to the left)…but also
unlike cancer the disease that you recognize has infected the right will not itself die, and so you’ll have a massive, violent, fringe -
no matter which Choice you choose.
So if you’ll have that problem either way, sheesh, at least TRY to do it right.