2024

[jfish26]

Fine. But I was talking about this conversation, in which I parsed the difference.

I have less interest in you parsing the difference than I do in Trump parsing the difference. Loudly and publicly!

[Shirley]

Oh, and that wasn't a critique of Polis from my perspective.

It probably brought on a relapse of Shirley's facial twitching, though.

And Lord knows what it might do to Sparky.

^^^

The mere mention can render me anorgasmic, for months.

[japhy]

That is a legally inaccurate description, FTR. He's grotesque, to be sure, and violent and depraved and all the rest. But he is not a convicted rapist.

Besides, you would pay good money to watch "the daughters" deal with Trump -- assuming he could catch them.

Satan is not the devil, he is a fallen angel.

And kicking the ass of a degenerate con man really isn't going to do any good for my daughters or yours.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- ... dge-2023-7

Save your but, but, but, technicalities for someone who deserves those efforts. We both know that trump deserves every slur anyone throws at him and some prison time to boot.

It's not my fault you never learned to self-edit. "Rapist" would have been a perfectly accurate description. But...as is the wont of the polemicist, you added words that both diluted your statement and challenged its accuracy.

Do better.

As Loretta Lynn would say, "if he was a better man I might".

So we will just have to agree to disagree about the description of the convicted rapist who fantasizes about fucking his own daughter and tried to lead an insurrection to overturn our last election after losing by 7 million votes.

But I don't fault you for defending his "honor" in the cause of hair splitting facts. I would be grasping at straws of split hairs these days as well if I was a lifelong republican given the current state of the party of trump. At least you don't try to explain to me how the Emperor God is a "decent guy" like the cult betaboys.

You know, if we got you on the right drug regimen, like Defix, I think you too could be right was rain in time. Just sayin, you get soooo close sometimes.

[DCHawk1]

I am defending truth against your assault. Nothing more.

[japhy]

I am defending truth against your assault. Nothing more.

Naw, you're splitting hairs. The "truth" is he raped her and had his day in court and lost again.

[DCHawk1]

I am defending truth against your assault. Nothing more.

Naw, you're splitting hairs.

Accurately.

[Shirley]

[jfish26]

This is consistent with how I've been seeing all of this play out.

Opinion | How the ‘MAGA doom loop’ is already threatening Trump’s 2024 chances

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... wisconsin/

For almost three years now, Republicans have defended or embraced Donald Trump’s authoritarianism — from lies about his 2020 loss to inciting an insurrection — which backfired as Americans proved unexpectedly eager to vote in defense of democracy in the 2022 elections as well as in contests this year.

But Republicans aren’t giving up — they’re going even further. To an unappreciated degree, they have responded to these electoral losses with even more flagrantly anti-democratic maneuvers all around the country.

The pattern is becoming clear: Even as voters are mobilizing to protect democracy at the ballot box, Republicans are redoubling their commitment to the former president’s anti-majoritarian mode of politics. And this, in turn, is motivating voters even more.

Call it the “MAGA doom loop.” It’s playing out in state after state.

[...]

Despite President Biden’s unpopularity, recent Times polling shows his surprising resilience in swing states — and Cohn suggests this partly reflects backlash against MAGA-fied state parties in these places. By embracing Trump’s efforts to nullify his loss, they are only reminding voters that democracy is once again in peril, including whether their own votes will be counted next time.

All of this syncs up with what political science tells us: Issues become salient for voters when elites talk about them a lot. That has certainly been the case with democracy and that will surely continue next year. Big events — such as Trump’s prosecution for Jan. 6, 2021-related offenses and the GOP’s continued devotion despite those criminal charges — will only reinforce what’s at stake.

“As long as the MAGA-Trump faction remains a threat to free and fair elections, a consequential slice of the electorate will continue to vote on this issue,” political scientist Lee Drutman told me.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that the MAGA doom loop might keep on working its magic — all the way through 2024.

[ousdahl]

I’ve prob said this before, but…

In 2024 I’m less worried about Trump winning, and more worried about Biden loosing

if that makes sense

Kinda how 2016 shoulda been a layup for dems, and yet…

[Shirley]

This is consistent with how I've been seeing all of this play out.

Opinion | How the ‘MAGA doom loop’ is already threatening Trump’s 2024 chances

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... wisconsin/

For almost three years now, Republicans have defended or embraced Donald Trump’s authoritarianism — from lies about his 2020 loss to inciting an insurrection — which backfired as Americans proved unexpectedly eager to vote in defense of democracy in the 2022 elections as well as in contests this year.

But Republicans aren’t giving up — they’re going even further. To an unappreciated degree, they have responded to these electoral losses with even more flagrantly anti-democratic maneuvers all around the country.

The pattern is becoming clear: Even as voters are mobilizing to protect democracy at the ballot box, Republicans are redoubling their commitment to the former president’s anti-majoritarian mode of politics. And this, in turn, is motivating voters even more.

Call it the “MAGA doom loop.” It’s playing out in state after state.

[...]

Despite President Biden’s unpopularity, recent Times polling shows his surprising resilience in swing states — and Cohn suggests this partly reflects backlash against MAGA-fied state parties in these places. By embracing Trump’s efforts to nullify his loss, they are only reminding voters that democracy is once again in peril, including whether their own votes will be counted next time.

All of this syncs up with what political science tells us: Issues become salient for voters when elites talk about them a lot. That has certainly been the case with democracy and that will surely continue next year. Big events — such as Trump’s prosecution for Jan. 6, 2021-related offenses and the GOP’s continued devotion despite those criminal charges — will only reinforce what’s at stake.

“As long as the MAGA-Trump faction remains a threat to free and fair elections, a consequential slice of the electorate will continue to vote on this issue,” political scientist Lee Drutman told me.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that the MAGA doom loop might keep on working its magic — all the way through 2024.

^^^

Read that yesterday, and hope he's right.

[jfish26]

This is consistent with how I've been seeing all of this play out.

Opinion | How the ‘MAGA doom loop’ is already threatening Trump’s 2024 chances

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... wisconsin/

For almost three years now, Republicans have defended or embraced Donald Trump’s authoritarianism — from lies about his 2020 loss to inciting an insurrection — which backfired as Americans proved unexpectedly eager to vote in defense of democracy in the 2022 elections as well as in contests this year.

But Republicans aren’t giving up — they’re going even further. To an unappreciated degree, they have responded to these electoral losses with even more flagrantly anti-democratic maneuvers all around the country.

The pattern is becoming clear: Even as voters are mobilizing to protect democracy at the ballot box, Republicans are redoubling their commitment to the former president’s anti-majoritarian mode of politics. And this, in turn, is motivating voters even more.

Call it the “MAGA doom loop.” It’s playing out in state after state.

[...]

Despite President Biden’s unpopularity, recent Times polling shows his surprising resilience in swing states — and Cohn suggests this partly reflects backlash against MAGA-fied state parties in these places. By embracing Trump’s efforts to nullify his loss, they are only reminding voters that democracy is once again in peril, including whether their own votes will be counted next time.

All of this syncs up with what political science tells us: Issues become salient for voters when elites talk about them a lot. That has certainly been the case with democracy and that will surely continue next year. Big events — such as Trump’s prosecution for Jan. 6, 2021-related offenses and the GOP’s continued devotion despite those criminal charges — will only reinforce what’s at stake.

“As long as the MAGA-Trump faction remains a threat to free and fair elections, a consequential slice of the electorate will continue to vote on this issue,” political scientist Lee Drutman told me.

If there’s a silver lining, it’s that the MAGA doom loop might keep on working its magic — all the way through 2024.

^^^

Read that yesterday, and hope he's right.

Which, to me, makes the madness of the party sticking with Trump all the, ah, starker-and-ravinger.

Of all people, the noted philosopher Lindsey Graham sure got it right, huh? Just took a little longer than expected.

[Shirley]

(I hope) Lindsey was prescient:

"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it."

[Sparko]

Arrogance and corruption. Seems like the Republicans are echoing their late Roman, lead-eating, precursors. The Stupidity stings as does the lack of cogent policy. In Texas looks like Paxton will walk on his foray into Mafia-centered governance.

[Shirley]

Arrogance and corruption. Seems like the Republicans are echoing their late Roman, lead-eating, precursors. The Stupidity stings as does the lack of cogent policy. In Texas looks like Paxton will walk on his foray into Mafia-centered governance.

Unfuckingbelieveable

Except, not.

Hey republicans, tell us there is absolutely no bottom, without telling us their is no bottom:

BREAKING: Corrupt Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has been acquitted on all impeachment articles by the GOP state Senate.

He is free to be reinstated and return to work in Texas.

-All but two of 18 Republicans voted to clear Paxton of every charge.

-A two-thirds majority — 21 votes — was needed to convict the attorney general on any of the 16 articles of impeachment.

This is what corruption looks like.

[Overlander]

Did anyone expect something else out of Texas?

[jfish26]

For the file (this is Trump mixing up Obama with Biden and seeming to forget there’s already been a WWII).

https://twitter.com/joenbc/status/17030 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

I do not view this as disqualifying or even, in and of itself, a very big deal. But here in this thread, there are those who point to gaffes like this as evidence of unfitness.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Crazy thought of the day.....

Today is Mexican Independence Day.
Mexicans in Chicago tend to celebrate the holiday over several days.
I read about and saw videos of how bad traffic was and how disruptive it was last night.
Tonight I am hearing the honking of car horns and the screeching of tires. Not a big deal being that I'm in my apartment but it is still somewhat disruptive/distracting.

I'm 100% convinced there are people who are thinking they will vote for Trump for the sole reason they are hating the Mexicans celebrating Mexican Independence Day.

[mjl2]

There's something kinda funny about a Jew acknowledging Mexican Independence Day on Rosh Hashanah.

Shana Tova Gutter!

[DCHawk1]

Read that yesterday, and hope he's right.

It's Greg Sargent...so good luck.

[DCHawk1]

For the file (this is Trump mixing up Obama with Biden and seeming to forget there’s already been a WWII).

https://twitter.com/joenbc/status/17030 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

I do not view this as disqualifying or even, in and of itself, a very big deal. But here in this thread, there are those who point to gaffes like this as evidence of unfitness.

He's unfit.