GTFO Arterio Morris

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

lol…c’mon, gutter

do you really think Self has any responsibility here? or are you just playing devil’s advocate?

there is zero chance this blows back on him, other than a minor public perception hit. at most, one could say he (and the staff) were bad judges of character for bringing AM into the program in the first place

Sorry for the delayed response. I just read your post.
No doubt I am playing devil's advocate to a degree. None of us truly know what did and didn't happen.
Like I basically said to MJ, us KU fans tend to see things through crimson and blue glasses. I'm taking off my glasses. I'm trying to consider all possibilities. Realistic or not.

Yes, I "think" IF there was a rape at McCarthy and Morris was involved in any way - Self has some responsibility.
He's the guy who brought the kid to KU - who already had a criminal charge against him - that had not yet been resolved.
IF a rape occurred at McCarthy and a KU player was invlolved, then fair or not, I think many people will feel it shows a lack of "institutional" control. "Institutional" being Self and the coaching staff and the culture in the KU Basketball program.

"Minor public perception hit"? I beg to differ. IF (that's a huge IF) Morris was involved in the ALLEGED rape of a woman at McCarthy - then Self and KU will get a lot more than a "minor public perception hit".

[mjl2]

We don't know when he was suspended. We don't know when Self found out and which information he found out. It's not crimson and blue glasses, it's acknowledging that we don't have the information. As of now there is no indication Self did anything wrong. To say otherwise is just

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

We don't know when he was suspended. We don't know when Self found out and which information he found out. It's not crimson and blue glasses, it's acknowledging that we don't have the information. As of now there is no indication Self did anything wrong. To say otherwise is just

My exact words to Trad in the post above your's. "None of us truly know what did and didn't happen".
So it seems you and I agree on that.

Moving on.....
It was YOU who originally said, "He suspended him when this happened". Right? Or wrong?
Now it is YOU who is saying ,"We don't know when he was suspended".
So which is it?



P.S. Yes, I edited my original response to you to add (or whoever else actually suspended him) AND to use the word "seems".
In my response to Trad, I was careful to use the word IF.

[mjl2]

Context dude

[KUTradition]

lol…c’mon, gutter

do you really think Self has any responsibility here? or are you just playing devil’s advocate?

there is zero chance this blows back on him, other than a minor public perception hit. at most, one could say he (and the staff) were bad judges of character for bringing AM into the program in the first place

Sorry for the delayed response. I just read your post.
No doubt I am playing devil's advocate to a degree. None of us truly know what did and didn't happen.
Like I basically said to MJ, us KU fans tend to see things through crimson and blue glasses. I'm taking off my glasses. I'm trying to consider all possibilities. Realistic or not.

Yes, I "think" IF there was a rape at McCarthy and Morris was involved in any way - Self has some responsibility.
He's the guy who brought the kid to KU - who already had a criminal charge against him - that had not yet been resolved.
IF a rape occurred at McCarthy and a KU player was invlolved, then fair or not, I think many people will feel it shows a lack of "institutional" control. "Institutional" being Self and the coaching staff and the culture in the KU Basketball program.

"Minor public perception hit"? I beg to differ. IF (that's a huge IF) Morris was involved in the ALLEGED rape of a woman at McCarthy - then Self and KU will get a lot more than a "minor public perception hit".

agree to disagree

unless info comes to light indicating some sort of institutional cover-up, orchestrated by Self, most will forget about this by conference play (initial we’re reminded by announcers commenting on the situation)

i’ll be focusing on the guys suited up on the court

[KUTradition]

lol…c’mon, gutter

do you really think Self has any responsibility here? or are you just playing devil’s advocate?

there is zero chance this blows back on him, other than a minor public perception hit. at most, one could say he (and the staff) were bad judges of character for bringing AM into the program in the first place

Sorry for the delayed response. I just read your post.
No doubt I am playing devil's advocate to a degree. None of us truly know what did and didn't happen.
Like I basically said to MJ, us KU fans tend to see things through crimson and blue glasses. I'm taking off my glasses. I'm trying to consider all possibilities. Realistic or not.

Yes, I "think" IF there was a rape at McCarthy and Morris was involved in any way - Self has some responsibility.
He's the guy who brought the kid to KU - who already had a criminal charge against him - that had not yet been resolved.
IF a rape occurred at McCarthy and a KU player was invlolved, then fair or not, I think many people will feel it shows a lack of "institutional" control. "Institutional" being Self and the coaching staff and the culture in the KU Basketball program.

"Minor public perception hit"? I beg to differ. IF (that's a huge IF) Morris was involved in the ALLEGED rape of a woman at McCarthy - then Self and KU will get a lot more than a "minor public perception hit".

agree to disagree

unless info comes to light indicating some sort of institutional cover-up, orchestrated by Self, most will forget about this by conference play (unless we’re reminded by announcers commenting on the situation)

i’ll be focusing on the guys suited up on the court

[mjl2]

Nah, Fran will mention it every game

[KUTradition]

Nah, Fran will mention it every game

hahahaha

so true

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

lol…c’mon, gutter

do you really think Self has any responsibility here? or are you just playing devil’s advocate?

there is zero chance this blows back on him, other than a minor public perception hit. at most, one could say he (and the staff) were bad judges of character for bringing AM into the program in the first place

Sorry for the delayed response. I just read your post.
No doubt I am playing devil's advocate to a degree. None of us truly know what did and didn't happen.
Like I basically said to MJ, us KU fans tend to see things through crimson and blue glasses. I'm taking off my glasses. I'm trying to consider all possibilities. Realistic or not.

Yes, I "think" IF there was a rape at McCarthy and Morris was involved in any way - Self has some responsibility.
He's the guy who brought the kid to KU - who already had a criminal charge against him - that had not yet been resolved.
IF a rape occurred at McCarthy and a KU player was invlolved, then fair or not, I think many people will feel it shows a lack of "institutional" control. "Institutional" being Self and the coaching staff and the culture in the KU Basketball program.

"Minor public perception hit"? I beg to differ. IF (that's a huge IF) Morris was involved in the ALLEGED rape of a woman at McCarthy - then Self and KU will get a lot more than a "minor public perception hit".

agree to disagree

unless info comes to light indicating some sort of institutional cover-up, orchestrated by Self, most will forget about this by conference play (initial we’re reminded by announcers commenting on the situation)

i’ll be focusing on the guys suited up on the court

Let's hope YOU are right.
I also hold some hope Morris will not be charged (and is not guilty) with involvement if anything truly did happen.

[InfiniteJ]

Supposedly Morris has been arrested and officially dismissed from the basketball program.

[pdub]

Looks so.

https://www2.kusports.com/sports/2023/s ... with-rape/

[jfish26]

It's a mess, with a whole lot of blame to go around.

The player gets the lion's share, of course, and Bill and the program clearly missed on this, as well. As did the very many adults who failed to hold the player accountable along the way.

[pdub]

Self sure has brought in a bunch of bad apples in his time at KU.
( btw saying Self has brought in a bunch of bad apples does not imply that I don't think Self also has brought in a bunch of good apples )

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Friend just texted me asking how/why Self still has a job at Kansas and what needs to happen for the school to boot him. Not a bad/unfair question.
While I think it's doubtful, there is of course the possibility this could be the end for Self - if Morris is found guilty.

[Shirley]

Friend just texted me asking how/why Self still has a job at Kansas and what needs to happen for the school to boot him. Not a bad/unfair question.
While I think it's doubtful, there is of course the possibility this could be the end for Self - if Morris is found guilty.

What about this situation implicates HCBS so much?

[twocoach]

Friend just texted me asking how/why Self still has a job at Kansas and what needs to happen for the school to boot him. Not a bad/unfair question.
While I think it's doubtful, there is of course the possibility this could be the end for Self - if Morris is found guilty.

Huh? Because he gave a kid a second chance and the kid fucked it up? That's absurd.

If he pretended that Morris did nothing and continued to participate with the team as if nothing had happened then I feel it would be appropriate to ask that question.

[pdub]

"Not a bad/unfair question.
While I think it's doubtful, there is of course the possibility this could be the end for Self - if Morris is found guilty."

That of course is silly.
Alabama just went through a season with a guy STILL PLAYING ON THE TEAM after he was involved in a murder. Nate Oats's seat is very much safe.

This guy is not on the team anymore once more information came out.

[pdub]

There is no doubt it's a black eye on the program but at this point we've ( not just Kansas but college basketball and football in general ) gotten far enough away from actually caring about the heart of things/good intentions that all that matters is winning.

[jfish26]

Self sure has brought in a bunch of bad apples in his time at KU.
( btw saying Self has brought in a bunch of bad apples does not imply that I don't think Self also has brought in a bunch of good apples )

Any system relying on the judgment of teenagers is fertile ground for problems. I don't feel like I have a good sense for how we've done on this stuff, compared with other programs. It's probably unknowable (especially given the mix of jurisdictions, and the mix of public/private institutions).

I do think the incentives on all parties are aligned such that problems aren't addressed until they've ripened into catastrophes...and of course that means catastrophic results.

[twocoach]

Self sure has brought in a bunch of bad apples in his time at KU.
( btw saying Self has brought in a bunch of bad apples does not imply that I don't think Self also has brought in a bunch of good apples )

I think it is the nature of the pool of players they are fishing in, not a knock on Self specifically. I think that both football and basketball has a higher percentage of humans more prone to these types of situations than the general pool of humans in that age range.