What happened to the immigration thread?

[Shirley]

Our immigration crisis has been an ever-worsening, extremely difficult problem for years, and neither party has seemed able to deal with it successfully. I've posted before that it often seems that rather than actually try to solve the crisis, imo, republicans would rather it continue so that they can scream and yell about it to "own the libs". Short of sending troops to the border and using "deadly force" as Ron DeSantis has suggested, it appears that it will take a bipartisan effort to even hope to begin to solve the mess.

In the following video, AOC presents a pov that many of us not impacted by the problem rarely hear. And IMO, it's very much worth a listen:

AOC Grills NYC Councilwoman On NYC Immigration Crisis

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Ok, while he's not wrong, he's basically saying let them be someone else's problem and is kind of pulling a Greg Abbott. Right?

https://cwbchicago.com/2023/10/citys-la ... -says.html

[Sparko]

Concentration of wealth leads to saturation of needs elsewhere. There is an answer and it has to do with eliminating hoarding of wealth. Investment in our own hemisphere where it would do the most good. There is also a shameless drive in some prominent religions to encourage large families and try to defeat population curbs

[jfish26]

Our immigration crisis has been an ever-worsening, extremely difficult problem for years, and neither party has seemed able to deal with it successfully. I've posted before that it often seems that rather than actually try to solve the crisis, imo, republicans would rather it continue so that they can scream and yell about it to "own the libs". Short of sending troops to the border and using "deadly force" as Ron DeSantis has suggested, it appears that it will take a bipartisan effort to even hope to begin to solve the mess.

In the following video, AOC presents a pov that many of us not impacted by the problem rarely hear. And IMO, it's very much worth a listen:

AOC Grills NYC Councilwoman On NYC Immigration Crisis

Carte blanche doesn’t work. Nor does isolationism and pretending it’s even remotely possible to use force (active, passive or both) to keep people put.

Of course, no one is advocating for carte blanche.

[Sparko]

Seems like a perfect wedge issue that can poke a slumbering bigot or two.

[ousdahl]

Concentration of wealth leads to saturation of needs elsewhere. There is an answer and it has to do with eliminating hoarding of wealth. Investment in our own hemisphere where it would do the most good. There is also a shameless drive in some prominent religions to encourage large families and try to defeat population curbs

Well said, Qusdahl.

I think.

[Sparko]

Qusdahl in pursuit of social justice is no vice

[Shirley]

This hasn't helped:

In 2011, Venezuela was our 4th largest foreign source of oil. In 2015, Venezuela supplied 10% of our imported oil.

12/7/22

More than 7 million Venezuelans have fled the country since 2015, with 6 million settling in other Latin American countries. The region’s largest migration episode in history is driven by the collapse of the country’s economy, which has left Venezuelans struggling to meet their basic needs.

Between 2013 and 2021, Venezuela’s gross domestic product is estimated to have declined by more than 75 percent, the most for a country not at war in the last 50 years. The COVID-19 pandemic compounded the country’s economic and humanitarian crisis, and in 2020 more than 95 percent of Venezuelans were living below the poverty line.

The arrival of Venezuelans seeking better lives has strained the economies—and societies—of Latin American host countries that are already balancing tight budgets, especially since the pandemic...

9/11/23

U.S. Sanctions Against Venezuela Have Failed

Despite strict U.S. sanctions implemented by former President Donald Trump in January 2019 that cut Venezuela off from global energy and capital markets, the country’s economy has returned to growth. This, along with Maduro effectively sidelining Venezuela’s political opposition, including U.S. designated interim president Juan Guaido fleeing the country, indicates Washington’s attempts to spark the regime have failed. Strict U.S. sanctions, which cut the OPEC member off from global energy and capital markets, combined with over a decade of endemic corruption, malfeasance and mismanagement, caused Venezuela’s economic backbone, its oil industry, to collapse. That triggered the worst economic and humanitarian crisis of modern times to ever occur outside of war.

It is estimated that over seven million Venezuelans have fled the near-failed state since the catastrophe started unfolding in 2014 as Venezuela’s economic backbone, its oil industry, imploded. Endemic corruption and malfeasance, along with a chronic lack of skilled labor and parts for facility refits, drove Venezuela’s oil production lower. The economic fallout from declining petroleum output was magnified by the 2014 oil price collapse, which saw Brent plummet to under $27 per barrel by early 2016, As PDVSA’s finances rapidly deteriorated, petroleum production plummeted due to a lack of crucial facility maintenance, creating a vicious cycle of declining oil output and income that sharply impacted the petrostate’s economy and finances...

[KUTradition]

https://news.yahoo.com/no-america-not-s ... 51383.html

[Sparko]

https://news.yahoo.com/no-america-not-s ... 51383.html

But Fox referenced X which referenced Newsmax referencing Fox.

[Shirley]

https://news.yahoo.com/no-america-not-s ... 51383.html

But Fox referenced X which referenced Newsmax referencing Fox.

Trad and his "facts".

[twocoach]

https://news.yahoo.com/no-america-not-s ... 51383.html

"In fact, the new data – analyzed by our team at the Cato Institute – indicate that the number of immigrants is still 2 million below the Census Bureau’s 2017 predictions. The hyperbolic rhetoric should take a backseat to the verifiable data."

I don't put a lot of credence behind "better than predicted". It's like giving a coach the CoY Award because they did better than predicted. Maybe the predictions just sucked.

[Sparko]

Cruelty at a lesser rate than expected is still just Republicanism.

[Overlander]

Fear, Fear Fear, Hate, Hate, Hate.
Feel good story at the end.

Pretty much sums up right side media.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

"The Welcoming City"

Watch the video
https://twitter.com/publicpolicyman/sta ... 1283389822

[ousdahl]

McALLEN, Texas -- The Biden administration announced they waived 26 federal laws in South Texas to allow border wall construction on Wednesday, marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.
…
The Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act and Endangered Species Act were some of the federal laws waived

https://apnews.com/article/border-wall- ... 242f21ceb2

[DCHawk1]

Fear, Fear Fear, Hate, Hate, Hate.
Feel good story at the end.

Pretty much sums up Democratic advisors to Democratic mayors.

FYP!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1708517111138529366

[Overlander]

Fear, Fear Fear, Hate, Hate, Hate.
Feel good story at the end.

Pretty much sums up Democratic advisors to Democratic mayors.

FYP!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1708517111138529366

Does nothing to change my assessment of right side media.

But, I appreciate the effort

[DCHawk1]

Didn't intend to change your opinion of the right-side media, only to edify you in the hopes of enhancing your well-roundedness.

You're welcome.

[dolomite]

Getting a new border czar couldn’t hurt.