What happened to the immigration thread?

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The Biden administration announced today that it will waive 26 environmental, public health and cultural resource protection laws to fast-track construction of the border wall through the fragile Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge and neighboring lands.

Among many concerns, wall construction in this area will harm recovery plans for endangered ocelots, which depend on contiguous wildlife corridors of protected habitat along the Rio Grande.


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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:57 am The Biden administration announced today that it will waive 26 environmental, public health and cultural resource protection laws to fast-track construction of the border wall through the fragile Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge and neighboring lands.

Among many concerns, wall construction in this area will harm recovery plans for endangered ocelots, which depend on contiguous wildlife corridors of protected habitat along the Rio Grande.


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yeah! destroy crucial natural ecosystems for an ineffective wall

sounds like a brilliant plan

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i would post a bunch of references about why border walls don’t work, but you (and randy and mich) will just double down on ignorant takes…par for the course
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I would conceptually be ok with this, if I wasn't nearly certain that all that's really happening here is we're spending a lot of money and doing a lot of damage solely to make certain groups feel better.
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I applaud biden for doing something. I'm not a fan of damaging ecosystems tho
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But. The most important action we need to take is to stop incentivizing illegal immigration. Stop giving them housing and care. Start deterring it. "Inhumane" actions would work best if you want to be realistic and go down that rabbit hole
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:09 am I would conceptually be ok with this, if I wasn't nearly certain that all that's really happening here is we're spending a lot of money and doing a lot of damage solely to make certain groups feel better.
and that’s the thing…there is ample evidence that walls just don’t work

it’s the definition of insanity - doing the same thing but expecting a different result
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:09 am I would conceptually be ok with this, if I wasn't nearly certain that all that's really happening here is we're spending a lot of money and doing a lot of damage solely to make certain groups feel better.
and that’s the thing…there is ample evidence that walls just don’t work

it’s the definition of insanity - doing the same thing but expecting a different result
The sad part is I’m not sure anyone’s actually expecting a result. This is pure politics.
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:29 am
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:09 am I would conceptually be ok with this, if I wasn't nearly certain that all that's really happening here is we're spending a lot of money and doing a lot of damage solely to make certain groups feel better.
and that’s the thing…there is ample evidence that walls just don’t work

it’s the definition of insanity - doing the same thing but expecting a different result
The sad part is I’m not sure anyone’s actually expecting a result. This is pure politics.
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:31 am
jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:29 am
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:21 am
and that’s the thing…there is ample evidence that walls just don’t work

it’s the definition of insanity - doing the same thing but expecting a different result
The sad part is I’m not sure anyone’s actually expecting a result. This is pure politics.
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dolomite wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:52 am Getting a new border czar couldn’t hurt.
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randylahey wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:18 am But. The most important action we need to take is to stop incentiving illegal immigration. Stop giving them housing and care.
Or Americans could stop with the meth and fentanyl.
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I think many border hawks don’t have a solid grasp on how much BETTER the worst lives are here as compared with average lives in poor countries.
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I don't think that Biden has much choice either, given the Right Wing chorus yammering about the border. Maybe will move some other policies. But a wall is pretty stupid when you see the actual economic issues which drive immigration. And the climate change we helped really drive.
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Sparko wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:36 pm I don't think that Biden has much choice either, given the Right Wing chorus yammering about the border. Maybe will move some other policies. But a wall is pretty stupid when you see the actual economic issues which drive immigration. And the climate change we helped really drive.
Meanwhile, if the border hawks have their way, we’ll pull aid from Ukraine and also put boots on the ground in Mexico. Bang-up plan, folks.
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can we bus them to canada.
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can you use proper grammar and punctuation?
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jhawks99 wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:22 pm
randylahey wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 11:18 am But. The most important action we need to take is to stop incentiving illegal immigration. Stop giving them housing and care.
Or Americans could stop with the meth and fentanyl.
What the hell is "incentiving"?
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:40 pm can you use proper grammar and punctuation?
he clearly doesnt no how
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