Israel/Palestine

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

We have, apparently, begun to move naval resources closer to the region, as a show of support.

This is not going to end well.

I think you can eliminate the word well.

[DCHawk1]

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Gutter,

I am horrified by all of this and very, very angry. But unlike dumbass Nikki Haley, I know this isn't about me. It IS about you, however, and mjl. For you, it's personal, and I'm sorry for that.

[Sparko]

This has been a lifetime campaign of the USSR and Russia. One reason I am adamant about ending that reign of terror in Ukraine and Syria.

[ousdahl]

pretty wild how even the Israel/Palestine thread too now is the work of Kremlin spambots...as if the Israel/Palestine thread is supposed to be about anything BUT the material realities of Israel and Palestine.

While I will admit, the selective outrage and misinformation and hypocrisy and scapegoating and comprehensive horror of this situation is just too much. I feel for all of those affected, both directly and indirectly, and it hurts to even just think about it.

With that said, I think imma just sit this one out.

[jfish26]

This has been a lifetime campaign of the USSR and Russia. One reason I am adamant about ending that reign of terror in Ukraine and Syria.

At a MINIMUM, Russia allowed this. It seems more likely than not that Russia helped. And there is quite a lot more to find out about here, including as may have very very very significant implications at home.

[mjl2]

We have, apparently, begun to move naval resources closer to the region, as a show of support.

This is really big, reduces the odds of the immediate bad-case-scenario.

https://x.com/academic_la/status/171107 ... 19937?s=20

[jfish26]

This is an EXTREMELY fraught moment. There is no way to separate discussion of it from our broken-apart political reality at home.

This would be an appropriate time for every single living former President, SecDef, SecState and congressional conference leader to make a single statement condemning Iran’s proxy attack on Israel and urging Americans to stop their shit.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I know nothing. (Just my opinions.):

1. I don't think American troops in Israel is being considered, yet. That's a huge step, and it would only serve to escalate the situation, immensely.

2. I saw a former FBI lawyer/official say yesterday that local, state, and federal law enforcement were increasing security around synagogues, etc., as a result of the attack.

3. I'm counting on Israel to use this as an excuse to solve the Iranian nuclear weapon threat, for a few years to come. (No doubt, with our help.) I'm also hoping to get a pony for my next birthday.

Hey - I apologize! I saw DC's response and not yours. Thanks for responding!

[Sparko]

This has been a lifetime campaign of the USSR and Russia. One reason I am adamant about ending that reign of terror in Ukraine and Syria.

At a MINIMUM, Russia allowed this. It seems more likely than not that Russia helped. And there is quite a lot more to find out about here, including as may have very very very significant implications at home.

Lavrov called for a new Palestinan state last night. This was what Iran wanted for their cruise missiles and weapons for Russia. Materially helps Russia take eyes off Ukraine

[jfish26]

This has been a lifetime campaign of the USSR and Russia. One reason I am adamant about ending that reign of terror in Ukraine and Syria.

At a MINIMUM, Russia allowed this. It seems more likely than not that Russia helped. And there is quite a lot more to find out about here, including as may have very very very significant implications at home.

Lavrov called for a new Palestinan state last night. This was what Iran wanted for their cruise missiles and weapons for Russia. Materially helps Russia take eyes off Ukraine

There are many moving pieces here. China may be opportunistic as well. I am very glad we have experienced and sober people in charge for this.

[twocoach]

Hamas is claiming ukraine sold them the weapons used for the attacks. Which ukraine obviously got drom the US. You've got to be fucking kidding me.... lol

https://twitter.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/sta ... Kzwhw&s=19

For the record, we don’t know if this is true or not.

We just know it has been claimed.

https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/17 ... 13222?s=20

You do know that this is more pro-Putin noise, right?

Here is something significantly more reliable. Please do a better job considering sources.

https://x.com/jonathanlanday/status/171 ... PzNG4aOfKQ

https://x.com/asaadhannaa/status/171099 ... PzNG4aOfKQ

We don't "know" anything. Lots of BS and lies all over the place. None of the parties involved are trustworthy.

[Shirley]

I know nothing. (Just my opinions.):

1. I don't think American troops in Israel is being considered, yet. That's a huge step, and it would only serve to escalate the situation, immensely.

2. I saw a former FBI lawyer/official say yesterday that local, state, and federal law enforcement were increasing security around synagogues, etc., as a result of the attack.

3. I'm counting on Israel to use this as an excuse to solve the Iranian nuclear weapon threat, for a few years to come. (No doubt, with our help.) I'm also hoping to get a pony for my next birthday.

Hey - I apologize! I saw DC's response and not yours. Thanks for responding!

too late

[Shirley]

From the WSJ. (It's via Apple News, and I don't think I can link the story.)

Updated October 8, 2023, 5:15 pm EDT

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”
 
“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.

A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.

Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said. 

The Iranian delegation at the United Nations in New York didn’t respond to a request for comment. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has praised the attacks, saying in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, that the “Zionist regime will be eradicated at the hands of the Palestinian people and the Resistance forces throughout the region.”

A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis.

The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.

[...]

[mjl2]

Exactly - that's the reason why the US navy heading over is so meaningful.

Israeli Times reported kibbutzim near Gaza were evacuated. My in-laws in Mefalsim, a beautiful place I was at just about 15 months ago, decided to stay. We tried to save the life of a cat stuck in a tree there - it's crazy how we can care so much about a damn cat and others are proud to torture and kill humans.

Friends in Tel Aviv suburbs are back in bunkers, some with small children, in the middle of the night.

Cousins in Jerusalem are safe, Baruch hashem.

All know people injured or killed.

One thing bothering me about the cable news coverage - the absence of the word "Jewish". Gaza is barricaded, due to their actions, by two countries. There's a reason they don't attack Egypt.

[DCHawk1]

None of the parties involved are trustworthy.

FFS

[DCHawk1]

I am very glad we have experienced and sober people in charge for this.

Wait.

Wut?

[DCHawk1]

I am very glad we have experienced and sober people in charge for this.

Wait.

Wut?

https://twitter.com/sunnyright/status/1 ... 0133415314

[DCHawk1]

[twocoach]

None of the parties involved are trustworthy.

FFS

Who do you trust in that group? Iran? Hamas? Ukraine?

[ousdahl]

Oh god damn twocoach

how am I supposed to sit this one out now?















(Also where the fuck were you when they/them needed you in the war thread?!?!?!?!?!?!)