Israel/Palestine

[mjl2]

He's such a lying little bitch.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/119 ... ket-share/

"As of 2019, Israel Today had a market share of 30.6 percent of Israel's newspaper industry. This was followed by Yedioth Ahronoth with 26.9 percent and 4.9 percent of Haaretz"

There's 9 million Israelis. I don't doubt 4.9% are as vile and repulsive as Q

[DCHawk1]

I mean, pretty much every human rights organization in the world identifies the place as an apartheid state, right?

They also identify Hamas as one of the world's most oppressive regimes and biggest criminal enterprises as well.

So...there's that.

Also, who manages the Apartheid regime? The guys who built a wall that has 4 checkpoints/crosspoints? Or the guys who built three consecutive walls, which go down as deep as 15" in order to prevent rebuilding of tunnels and has only 1 checkpoint?

Cuz the first guys are the Israelis, while the second are the Egyptians.

[DCHawk1]

Q's team doin' work.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711504185756180962

[ousdahl]

I condemn that violence.

I condemn this violence too.

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
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Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
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Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
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The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
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Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
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On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
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“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

Man, NYT doing an actual journalism here…well, except for the part about omitting the defense minister calling these people “human animals.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/worl ... aliya.html

[ousdahl]

I may respond to certain poster further, but for now lemme just say, I'm sorry I'm so annoying you guys.

I think one really could compare and contrast the Israel/Palestine and Ukraine/Russia situations, just like one can compare and contrast just about anything.. Of course there are huge differences, and apples-to-oranges details.

But there are certain things in common, too.

In both situations, the US narrative is largely to pick one side of the conflict to stand with, and furnish with weapons too.

Now, I dunno if there's much use in commenting further about Ukraine. I was just trying to see where fish might go with it.

But, in the conflict in this thread, we got one side killing hostages, and the response is overwhelming condemnation, and "terrorist" labels for it.

Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

[DCHawk1]

Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

Holy shit.

"witnesses and authorities in Gaza said."

Are you sure you're OK?

[ousdahl]

right?

[DCHawk1]

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp

Have you ever wondered why there are still refugee camps in Gaza, 75 years later?

I don't suppose you have.

[mjl2]

Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

Holy shit.

"witnesses and authorities in Gaza said."

Are you sure you're OK?

Lying is all they do. Just blatant, easily verifiably false shit. I can see how Q relates with them.

https://x.com/tomselliott/status/171135 ... 26745?s=20

[ousdahl]

Then, we got the other side bombing mosques and ambulances and hospitals and entire fucking families, and the response is to send a fleet of warships as a show of support.

Holy shit.

"witnesses and authorities in Gaza said."

Are you sure you're OK?

do you mean to suggest it's not true?

please tell me it's not true.

I would feel more OK if I did.

[TDub]

I don't understand how anyone can't determine which "side" deserves the blame here and which "side" is wrong.

[ousdahl]

do you mean to suggest one "side" is right?

and deserves no blame?

[mjl2]

I don't understand how anyone can't determine which "side" deserves the blame here and which "side" is wrong.

I'd say the ones that purposely attack, murder, and torture civilians while oppressing their own people are in the blame. Seems pretty easy.

Edit: sorry, misread "can't" as "can".

[TDub]

do you mean to suggest one "side" is right?

and deserves no blame?

for this specific situation? good grief.

Nevermind. Not going to do any of this with you.

Remember when you were gonna sit this one out? That was the best idea you've had in months.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I don't like Ben Shapiro. I don't agree with everything he says in this video.
I do feel much of what he is saying is important. For EVERYone to hear.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1 ... 1256377839

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

(from one of the largest and oldest newspapers in Israel)

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editori ... fd1c880000

The disaster that befell Israel on the holiday of Simchat Torah is the clear responsibility of one person: Benjamin Netanyahu. The prime minister, who has prided himself on his vast political experience and irreplaceable wisdom in security matters, completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into when establishing a government of annexation and dispossession, when appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions, while embracing a foreign policy that openly ignored the existence and rights of Palestinians.

Come on ousy! It clearly says Opinion | Haaretz Editorial

For context, my cousin was one of the major investors in the Chicago Sun-Times. Many times there were editorials that he 100% disagreed with. In other words, as an investor/owner of the newspaper, he didn't agree with what people wrote for/in HIS newspaper.

[ousdahl]

yes, I'm aware it's an opinion piece. I was surprised to see it at this moment in time in western/Israeli media either way.

but, yes.

like I said, the selective outrage and misinformation and hypocrisy and scapegoating and comprehensive horror of this situation is just too much. I feel for all of those affected, both directly and indirectly, and it hurts to even just think about it.

my mistake for having the heart to try and speak up about it. Again, I apologize!

I'll go back to sitting out.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I condemn that violence.

I condemn this violence too.

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
…
Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
…
Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
…
The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
…
Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
…
On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
…
“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

Man, NYT doing an actual journalism here…well, except for the part about omitting the defense minister calling these people “human animals.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/worl ... aliya.html

I'm really ticked off because I just spent 30 minutes responding in detail to everything in the article. I did it on "notes" and when I went to transfer it to this site I accidentally deleted it.

I don't have another 30 minutes to spare right now but what I do have the time to say is, War and payback is a bitch. I'm not saying that in a snide manner. I am saying it in a sincere manner.
I 100% sympathize in regards to Palestinian civilians being killed and suffering but let's be honest here, Hamas made a choice and they knew damn well the Israeli's would retaliate. They knew damn well there would be civilian casualties. Is it too simplistic to say they didn't give a flying fuck about their citizens being killed and suffering because of THEIR (the terrorists) actions? Maybe but I feel it's pretty much true. Is it not? If it is true, then they certainly are no better (and even much worse) in regards to their own citizens than the Israelis are towards the Gazans. Just my opinion.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

yes, I'm aware it's an opinion piece. I was surprised to see it at this moment in time in western/Israeli media either way.

but, yes.

like I said, the selective outrage and misinformation and hypocrisy and scapegoating and comprehensive horror of this situation is just too much. I feel for all of those affected, both directly and indirectly, and it hurts to even just think about it.

my mistake for having the heart to try and speak up about it. Again, I apologize!

I'll go back to sitting out.

I don't feel it's a mistake for you to "speak up" about your feelings. I actually give you credit for being brave enough to do it when you know you will be attacked for it - on here.
No need to apologize to me!

My 2 cents is that there are actually 3 sides to this debacle. Most people feel there are only 2 sides.
Only 1 of the 3 sides are the true bad guys to me.

[jfish26]

I condemn that violence.

I condemn this violence too.

Israeli airstrikes pounded Gaza on Monday, flattening mosques over the heads of worshipers, wiping away a busy marketplace full of shoppers and killing entire families, witnesses and authorities in Gaza said.

Five Israeli airstrikes ripped through the marketplace in the Jabaliya refugee camp, reducing it to rubble and killing dozens, the authorities said. Other strikes hit four mosques in the Shati refugee camp and killed people worshiping inside, they said. Witnesses said boys had been playing soccer outside one of the mosques when it was struck.
…
Israel also has said it issued warnings before strikes, urging civilians to leave. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel warned Gazans to get out of the way of any potential Hamas targets on Saturday night. And warnings came before airstrikes hit and demolished four tower buildings in Gaza on Saturday and Sunday.

Gazans say that most of the strikes have been indiscriminate, and that most have come without warnings. Also, Gazans say they have nowhere to go; the enclave has no bomb shelters, and residents cannot leave because of the 16-year land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt, which limits what comes into the enclave and prevents most people from leaving.

“The strikes started suddenly without warning,” said Haneen Mousa, who lives near one of the mosques that were hit. “They targeted the mosque next to us and the cement blocks, the metal, the walls all fell on us.”

At a news briefing Monday morning, an Israeli military official declined to comment on whether the military had stopped giving warnings before carrying out airstrikes on homes and apartment buildings.
…
Since Israel began its airstrikes on Saturday, at least 687 Palestinians have been killed, the Gazan Health Ministry said on Monday, and nearly 3,000 others have been wounded. The casualties included 140 children and 105 women, the ministry said, in some cases entire families.
…
The United Nations and Palestinian officials have said that at least two hospitals and multiple homes also have been hit.
…
Gaza’s health ministry said that Israeli strikes were “directly and systematically” targeting ambulances, and that at least nine had been struck since Saturday.
The U.N. humanitarian agency said Israeli airstrikes have damaged water, sanitation and hygiene facilitates affecting more than 400,000 people in Gaza. Two schools run by the U.N. agency that helps Palestinian refugees have been hit by strikes, according to the United Nations.
…
On Monday, Israel’s defense minister announced a “complete siege” of Gaza, saying “no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel” would be allowed in. Telephone and internet service were cut off in many parts of Gaza on Monday after an Israeli strike hit the building housing the Palestine Telecommunications Company in the city center.

Amid widespread fear in Gaza about the Israeli response, many people fleeing other parts of the blockaded enclave had come to seek shelter in central Jabaliya, in the northern part of the strip, where shops and homes surround the market area. Monday’s strike hit as vendors and customers packed the marketplace, stocking up on food and produce.
…
“If there had been warning, we would have gotten out before; instead, all of a sudden, three floors fell on top of us,”

Man, NYT doing an actual journalism here…well, except for the part about omitting the defense minister calling these people “human animals.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/09/worl ... aliya.html

I'm really ticked off because I just spent 30 minutes responding in detail to everything in the article. I did it on "notes" and when I went to transfer it to this site I accidentally deleted it.

I don't have another 30 minutes to spare right now but what I do have the time to say is, War and payback is a bitch. I'm not saying that in a snide manner. I am saying it in a sincere manner.
I 100% sympathize in regards to Palestinian civilians being killed and suffering but let's be honest here, Hamas made a choice and they knew damn well the Israeli's would retaliate. They knew damn well there would be civilian casualties. Is it too simplistic to say they didn't give a flying fuck about their citizens being killed and suffering because of THEIR (the terrorists) actions? Maybe but I feel it's pretty much true. Is it not? If it is true, then they certainly are no better than the Israelis who they have all this hatred for. Just my opinion.

I’m afraid, in my very limited understanding of how the pieces fit here, that what you are describing above is in fact the point.