I think everything you just said makes sense. And it resonates with me, as a gun owner.TDub wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:34 pmit's a slippery slope as in the ramifications of the decision after it is defined.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:19 pmBut that's what I mean. "Restriction of access to firearms" is a very broad statement that needs to be clearly defined. It implies "access to any firearms whether already owned or not" and the implications of that are way different than just "you can't buy any more guns from this point forward". If you do not seize all weapons that they own, then you haven't really shut off access to firearms; you've just shut off access to ADDITIONAL firearms. It's not a slippery slope. It's a legitimate necessity to define the parameters of exactly what the restriction includes.
Are people going to be less likely to seek help if that is on the table? Most likely yes.
Do I like the idea of somebody being able to make those decisions for somebody else AND seize their property. Not particularly.
Will it prevent deaths? Possibly
Will it create a buzz storm of anti government sentiment and "they're coming for your guns"? For sure.
Is all of that going to prevent other potential legislation from occuring that might start to make progress on the situation? Potentially yes.
All in all, as a gun owner and as a hunter and as a person who doesn't love government control over personal decisions I am selfishly frustrated.
I'm frustrated that these whackjobs are creating these scenarios where we have to legitimately discuss normal people losing their rights because they can't just sit the fuck down and not go on rampages. They should just punch a wall or kill themselves instead of putting everyone else through this.
I'm frustrated that these fucking psychos are giving regular, legal, trained, safe gun owners and hunters that don't kill people, or flash guns on social media and carry them around like jackasses a bad name because they are out of control.
I dont need an AR. I'm not sure of a good reason in modern times for someone to have one. So, let's start there and get rid of those. If we can take that step and drastically reduce the instances of these types of situations then the rest of these discussions may become more reasonable and we can pare down the details of how mental health and forfeiting of weapons can come into play rationally instead of reactionary and hopefully find solutions that stick long term and can staft to change the culture at its core and not just in a good guy bad guy band aid fashion.
I dont know that I did anything to actually explain my position in that rambling but....im frustrated, like you all are, I just have a different take and starting point on some of this stuff than some here do based on my life experiences and style of living. I dont think that should prevent being able to work through things and find somewhere to start and work towards solutions on all of this. None of these situations are acceptable and I hope you all understand that I agree with that point even as I argue some of your solutions as being unreasonable.
My perspective, as a gun owner, is that I would like my fellow gun owners to please stop fucking doing things that will inevitably leave me with fewer rights/privileges than I have now.
