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greatest president in psych’s lifetime tho
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Shirley wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:17 am BREAKING: trump's gag order preventing him from attacking Judge Engoron's clerk in his fraud trial has just been reinstated by a NY Appeals court.

Imagine having to be forced NOT to threaten someone, and then imagine being a former President having to be forced NOT to threaten someone.

He is a daily disgrace.
Threatened the current president yesterday. And the Wall Street Journal. He needs to be locked up for the safety of others.
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Recently-unsealed text exchanges exposed the extent of Republican Representative Scott Perry' involvement in the forming of the relationship between former Trump lawyer Jeff Clark and the former president himself.

SHOCKING NEW DETAILS expose Trump’s ATTEMPT TO STEAL ELECTION
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Shirley wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:38 pm Recently-unsealed text exchanges exposed the extent of Republican Representative Scott Perry' involvement in the forming of the relationship between former Trump lawyer Jeff Clark and the former president himself.

SHOCKING NEW DETAILS expose Trump’s ATTEMPT TO STEAL ELECTION
I, for one, do not find it at all coincidental that Perry is busying himself today with seeking to haul the College Football Playoff committee in front of the Senate.
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On its own, this comes close to a confession of obstruction of justice.

https://x.com/acyn/status/1732069208404 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
[Speaker] Johnson: We have to blur some of the faces of persons who participated in the events of [January 6, 2021,] because we don’t want them to be retaliated against and to be charged by the DOJ
Taken in combination with the leading R candidate’s bitter fight to be ALLOWED to attack judges and clerks and prosecutors by name…and you know his prior incitement of political violence…

Guys - they’re SHOWING YOU how they view the justice system. Shield and weapon.
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Yet more "very fine people" associated with our favorite fascist, Trump:

Fulton County co-defendant Trevian Kutti, who is accused of having coerced elections worker Ruby Freeman in Atlanta, took to Instagram live to seek donations to help fight the charges in Georgia. During her livestream, she said in a statement that likely refers to Freeman, "There’s a woman sitting somewhere who knows that I’m going to fuck her whole life up when this is done.” Some legal experts view this statement as a possible violation of her bond.

Fulton County co-defendant FIRES "THREATENING SHOTS" at witness
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So.

https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/173244818 ... PzNG4aOfKQ

https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/173244895 ... PzNG4aOfKQ

https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/173245060 ... PzNG4aOfKQ
7/ Goodness gracious, these text messages.

Dec. 14, 2020:

"We the republican electors voted today...."

"Do said electors expect to actually be counted?"

"I certainly don't."

[…]

8/ Text message Dec. 31, 2020:

"Yeah in secret. It's not valid unless the court rule."

"Wisconsin is contested right? In secret meaning what"

"Technically no. Meaning we met and cast ballots but it wasn't official. Because it couldn't be."

[…]

9/ MOST incriminating:

"This is insane... if you received a favorable court ruling you could do it after
Who is coming up with this?"

"...They don’t want to have a technicality mess up the possible steal...
RPW and trump lawyers"
What would be lovely is if, now, these fake electors would turn around and sue Trump and his campaign for defrauding them into committing crimes for which they are now paying.
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^^^

This is the last part of a post I just made in the "2024" thread, and if fits with your post, nicely:

Liz Cheney says she spoke to (Mike) Johnson about him doing the legal work for House republicans in support of Trump's efforts to steal the election, and despite him admitting that he didn't have a leg to stand on, he was willing to do it, anyway.

Edited to add: That's one hell of a tweet thread you linked.



(Don't let Trad know I went there.)
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Does it go here, or in the FAFO thread, that DOJ asked for the Supreme Court to weigh in on Trump's immunity defense...and the Court has agreed to consider the motion (and asked Trump's counsel for briefing by next Wednesday).
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jfish26 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:37 pm Does it go here, or in the FAFO thread, that DOJ asked for the Supreme Court to weigh in on Trump's immunity defense...and the Court has agreed to consider the motion (and asked Trump's counsel for briefing by next Wednesday).
I'm totally amazed they acted so fast.

My lizard brain tells me that's a good sign, for the anti-fascist side.

But, I might be biased.
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Shirley wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:58 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:37 pm Does it go here, or in the FAFO thread, that DOJ asked for the Supreme Court to weigh in on Trump's immunity defense...and the Court has agreed to consider the motion (and asked Trump's counsel for briefing by next Wednesday).
I'm totally amazed they acted so fast.

My lizard brain tells me that's a good sign, for the anti-fascist side.

But, I might be biased.
Antifa, eh? You windowbreaker, you.

I think it's a great thing. I do not think the Court will conclude that a president is above the law. And even if the Court does that, it makes the 2024 stakes crystal clear.
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Total immunity. Bleach injection
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At least 2 SC justices will agree with DDD.
Defense. Rebounds.
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I don’t think they will - there will be a Demonrat president again someday too, dontcha know.

But even if they do - let’s do it now. Let’s remove all doubt about the stakes in 2024.
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jhawks99 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:55 pm At least 2 SC justices will agree with DDD.
That's a really dangerous precedent to set. Not sure if they go that far. You can't have your President with blanket legal immunity or you just have an elected King.
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twocoach wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:25 pm
jhawks99 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:55 pm At least 2 SC justices will agree with DDD.
That's a really dangerous precedent to set. Not sure if they go that far. You can't have your President with blanket legal immunity or you just have an elected King.
At least 2
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twocoach wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:25 pm
jhawks99 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:55 pm At least 2 SC justices will agree with DDD.
That's a really dangerous precedent to set. Not sure if they go that far. You can't have your President with blanket legal immunity or you just have an elected King.
If I had to bet, my guess would be a short-form declination to grant cert…and I’m genuinely lost on what that means in the case where the prosecution has sought to skip an appellate level. This is not what I do, clearly.
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jfish26 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:12 pm I don’t think they will - there will be a Demonrat president again someday too, dontcha know.

But even if they do - let’s do it now. Let’s remove all doubt about the stakes in 2024.
King Biden could act now.
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Huh, this could be interesting.

Special counsel Jack Smith has extracted data from the cell phone Donald Trump used while in the White House and plans to present evidence of his findings to a Washington, D.C. jury to demonstrate how Trump used the phone in the weeks during which he attempted to subvert the 2020 election.

In a court filing Monday, Smith indicated that he plans to call an expert witness who extracted and reviewed data copied from Trump’s phone, as well as a phone used by another unidentified individual in Trump’s orbit.

The data from Trump’s phone could reveal day-to-day details of his final weeks in office, including his daily movements, his Twitter habits and any other aides who had access to his accounts and devices. The data, for example, could help show whether Trump personally approved or sent a fateful tweet attacking his vice president, Mike Pence, during the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol.

It’s unclear, though, what the extent of Smith’s access to Trump’s phone was. While Smith described in the filing using the data to view images, websites and locations, it's unclear if he accessed the substance of Trump’s communications or if anything was shielded due to executive privilege or other limits.

The trial in the case — in which Trump is charged with conspiring to disenfranchise millions of voters and derail the transfer of power — is scheduled to begin March 4.

The expert will describe to jurors “the usage of these phones throughout the post-election period, including on and around January 6, 2021,” when a mob of Trump supporters attacked the Capitol after Trump urged them to fight to “stop the steal.” The expert’s review also included “analyzing images found on the phones and websites visited.”

The expert testimony is the first explanation of how Smith plans to deploy a massive trove of data that prosecutors obtained from Twitter about Trump’s use of his powerful account.

The expert, who is not identified by name in the filing, will be able to “specifically” identify “the periods of time during which the defendant’s phone was unlocked and the Twitter application was open on January 6.”

The filing is the latest glimpse into the extraordinary evidence Smith has amassed in his probe, including testimony from dozens of Trump’s closest aides and advisers, including former Vice President Mike Pence.

Prosecutors obtained a search warrant to access Trump’s Twitter data in January and ultimately obtained a massive cache of data culled from Trump’s account, including location data.

However, the prosecution filing stops short of claiming that the experts will be able to prove that activity on the phones directly involved Trump. Trump’s phones were routinely managed by others, including his social media manager, Deputy Chief of Staff Dan Scavino.
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Sparko wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 9:30 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:12 pm I don’t think they will - there will be a Demonrat president again someday too, dontcha know.

But even if they do - let’s do it now. Let’s remove all doubt about the stakes in 2024.
King Biden could act now.
Good point. And one of the reasons Trump will fight Smith's move here tooth and nail: the Rs don't want the President to be a King until they hold the office/throne.
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