Uncle Joe

[twocoach]

Add in a $100,000 fine per illegal immigrant hired and use that money to help fund increased border security.

That/those D/Ds wouldn't stand a chance at re-election if they did so. Rs the only ones who own businesses that depend on undocumented workers?

Who said anything about Ds not hiring undocumented workers? The Republicans are the ones running around making sure that “border security” is front and center. Call the bluff. Knowing full well that this is another issue where the chase is only thing that matters, not catching the car, as far as the dog is concerned.

If the Republicans are serious about solving the issue this where they would start. I really like twocoach’s $100,000 per offense fine idea.

It doesn’t have to come from the Dems. Anyone who is represented by a Republican- please call your Rep and ask them to put this in the bill!

I emailed my idea to Amy Klobuchar; we'll see what comes of it...

(yeah, I already know, too)

[jfish26]

I wonder how many of Faux News listening sheeple realize that one could enter the country legally (f@&$ The Wall) and work illegally? “Border Security” is a trigger word. No more, no less. I’m disappointed that Gutter fell into this trap.

I think all border hawks fall into one of two groups.

Those who KNOW that there is no realistic way to physically stop illegal immigration (but pretend otherwise for effect), and...those who don't.

There is no way to stop it but there are ways to better process and track them for sure. More funding is needed on additional workers and facilities set up at more designated areas. More messaging is needed to people south of the border so that they better understand the processes and likelihood of being accepted in or deported. And more punishment is needed of employers who hire illegals.

Agree. All I'm saying is that a wall won't work, because it can't work, and so any time/money/attention being paid toward a big, contiguous, beautiful wall...is wasted.

[jfish26]

or. we could redirect a portion(say half) of what uncle is giving away to fund wars all over the world.

they would still get a ton of our money.

and we could secure our border at the same time.

I don't know how many times you need to be shown where the lion's share of that money is actually going.

[twocoach]

I think all border hawks fall into one of two groups.

Those who KNOW that there is no realistic way to physically stop illegal immigration (but pretend otherwise for effect), and...those who don't.

There is no way to stop it but there are ways to better process and track them for sure. More funding is needed on additional workers and facilities set up at more designated areas. More messaging is needed to people south of the border so that they better understand the processes and likelihood of being accepted in or deported. And more punishment is needed of employers who hire illegals.

Agree. All I'm saying is that a wall won't work, because it can't work, and so any time/money/attention being paid toward a big, contiguous, beautiful wall...is wasted.

There are certain areas where the natura features of the land will work with a wall and combine to be effective. There are other areas where they are a giant waste of money because they are so remote that people literally cut holes in them wide enough to drive vehicles through.

[twocoach]

or. we could redirect a portion(say half) of what uncle is giving away to fund wars all over the world.

they would still get a ton of our money.

and we could secure our border at the same time.

I don't know how many times you need to be shown where the lion's share of that money is actually going.

The man who claims to read a wide array of sources to decide for himself never actually reads any of the material provided to him.

[Overlander]

or. we could redirect a portion(say half) of what uncle is giving away to fund wars all over the world.

they would still get a ton of our money.

and we could secure our border at the same time.

I don't know how many times you need to be shown where the lion's share of that money is actually going.

The man who claims to read a wide array of sources to decide for himself never actually reads any of the material provided to him.

Kind of unnecessary to read.
You just need Steve Bannon or Alex Jones to read it for you, give you the "REAL" analysis.

[jfish26]

There is no way to stop it but there are ways to better process and track them for sure. More funding is needed on additional workers and facilities set up at more designated areas. More messaging is needed to people south of the border so that they better understand the processes and likelihood of being accepted in or deported. And more punishment is needed of employers who hire illegals.

Agree. All I'm saying is that a wall won't work, because it can't work, and so any time/money/attention being paid toward a big, contiguous, beautiful wall...is wasted.

There are certain areas where the natura features of the land will work with a wall and combine to be effective. There are other areas where they are a giant waste of money because they are so remote that people literally cut holes in them wide enough to drive vehicles through.

Yep. The "answer" - to the extent there can be one - is a combination of (1) proactive aid FAR from the border, in order to slow migration from starting, (2) diplomatic work with Mexico, (3) physical security (passive, active, both) and (4) domestic policy.

Anyone who sells you a one-stop-shop solution is grifting.

[MICHHAWK]

don't forget catapaults. a fast and effective way to send them back to where they came.

[Overlander]

don't forget catapaults. a fast and effective way to send them back to where they came.

Unfortunately, they are all spoken for.

How else are Trumpistas going to lob fireballs at the Capitol when Biden wins again?

[KUTradition]

don't forget catapaults. a fast and effective way to send them back to where they came.

nothing more ‘murican than telling people to go back where they came from

good job

[zsn]

I’m WFH today and had lunch with my wife. She was watching Uncle’s campaign launch speech. It was one of the most powerful speeches he has made and really set up the choices.

She also showed me a quote from somewhere: Trump is not arguing that he’s innocent; he’s arguing that he has the right to be a criminal.

[jfish26]

I’m WFH today and had lunch with my wife. She was watching Uncle’s campaign launch speech. It was one of the most powerful speeches he has made and really set up the choices.

She also showed me a quote from somewhere: Trump is not arguing that he’s innocent; he’s arguing that he has the right to be a criminal.

He's arguing that ... Biden may, without fear of criminal/judicial consequences, refuse to leave office if Trump beats him.

[Shirley]

Biden delivered the opening salvo in his reelection campaign a few minutes ago.

He did an excellent job. If this is any indication, finally, the gloves are coming off.

President Biden travels to Valley Forge in Pennsylvania to deliver a speech marking the anniversary of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

[jfish26]

Biden delivered the opening salvo in his reelection campaign a few minutes ago.

He did an excellent job. If this is any indication, finally, the gloves are coming off.

President Biden travels to Valley Forge in Pennsylvania to deliver a speech marking the anniversary of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

I haven't had a chance to watch the whole thing. I wonder if and to what extent he leaned into the setting - which is not a battlefield. But instead the site of something more like (but not) a siege.

[Overlander]

Just watched it.

The fact that anyone could say that Trump is in any way more mentally fit than Biden befuddles me.

This was a great, and necessary speech.

“Donald Trump has shown us who he is. The question we should ask ourselves…who are we?”

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Less than 5% of voters will watch/read the speech.
Right on cue Trump responded like a child - and made fun of Biden's stutter.

[Overlander]

Less than 5% of voters will watch/read the speech.

How the fuck do you figure 5%?

[DeletedUser]

Less than 5% of voters will watch/read the speech.

How the fuck do you figure 5%?

He polled 13 people at his local mall, duh.

[MICHHAWK]

we know nobody watched the speech because the speech was in the middle of the day. The folks are busy working. Living. Taking the kids to stuff.

That’s why uncle did the speech in the middle of the day. He knew nobody would see it. If you want the folks to see your speech. You don’t do your speech in the middle of the day. During the work week.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Less than 5% of voters will watch/read the speech.

How the fuck do you figure 5%?

Because I have a brain and I have been involved in politics helping get Mayors, Governors, and Presidents elected. I am fully aware of percentages of people who see political speeches and ads.
My saying 5% was being generous.

Do you not realize there were "pundits" yesterday that were specifically talking about the fact he gave the speech on a Friday afternoon and that it's unfortunate so very few people watched him give it?

* Damn! Now I just read MICH's post. His first sentence was actually somewhat thoughtful. The rest of his narish, not so so much.