Another mass shooting

[randylahey]

None of your “facts” and “logic” matter.

Doesn’t matter that assault rifles are shit home defense.

Doesn’t matter that the statistics bear out that homes with guns are more dangerous.

Doesn’t matter that the 2A, right there on paper, confers a qualified (not unlimited) right.

Doesn’t matter that the math means that the more guns in circulation, the cheaper and easier to get they are, by people everyone agrees shouldn’t have them.

Doesn’t matter that a bad guy with an AR can do so much more damage than a bad guy without one.

None of these things matters.

What matters is how the fuck your feelings crowd feels.

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

You embarrass yourself on this topic, over and over and over again.

The purpose of the weapon is right there in the name. It is an offensive weapon. A highly effective one, obviously!

But, it is not what most people who have handled weapons a lot (myself included) would choose for home defense (in the context of just a normal, bring, regular urban or suburban home (or even apartment or condo)).

I cannot believe I have to do this, but: I think we would agree there are three broad categories of legal firearms in the United States: handguns, shotguns and rifles.

Of the three, two are CLEARLY best-suited for home defense. Handguns (because of higher capacity, weight, maneuverability and ease of storage) and shotguns (because of dispersal of shot). Rifles have the drawbacks of shotguns (weight, maneuverability and relative difficulty of storage), without the dispersal-of-shot benefit.

The only real, material advantage an assault rifle has over a shotgun in this context is higher capacity...but that is not an advantage with such real-life-scenario meaning that it's worth picking over a handgun (if you want capacity) or a shotgun.

Indeed, if you want to see where assault rifles really shine, you'd have to ask the thousands of ordinary Joes and Janes (children included) whose torsos and heads have been hollowed out by assailants with assault rifles.

Why does this matter so much? Why do the wacky libs like me (and my guns) keep coming back to this point?

Because the fact that lunatics like you look to unfettered access to assault rifles as something like a sacred entitlement - "taking them" being a line that must NEVER be crossed - makes plain that this is purely an emotional issue for you.

And I'm really, really fucking tired at instance after instance of children being hollowed out in service of your fragile, insecure, weak bullshit.

Well you just cleared up the fact that you are pretty clueless when it comes to guns. Lol.

[jfish26]

Which our government will eventually try to take away or restrict too. It's already happened in other countries

Slippery slope blah blah blah.

I am a gun owner, and someone who would prefer generally that the government stay out of my business.

However, lunatics like you, who support lunatics who murder children, are the reason why blunt, overbroad action is justified and necessary. Lunatics like you, and the murderous lunatics you support, are ruining it for everyone else.

[jfish26]

When you hear someone use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead give away they know nothing about guns

Shit home defense? How is possible these deadly weapons you wanna restrict are also bad at home defense at the same time

You embarrass yourself on this topic, over and over and over again.

The purpose of the weapon is right there in the name. It is an offensive weapon. A highly effective one, obviously!

But, it is not what most people who have handled weapons a lot (myself included) would choose for home defense (in the context of just a normal, bring, regular urban or suburban home (or even apartment or condo)).

I cannot believe I have to do this, but: I think we would agree there are three broad categories of legal firearms in the United States: handguns, shotguns and rifles.

Of the three, two are CLEARLY best-suited for home defense. Handguns (because of higher capacity, weight, maneuverability and ease of storage) and shotguns (because of dispersal of shot). Rifles have the drawbacks of shotguns (weight, maneuverability and relative difficulty of storage), without the dispersal-of-shot benefit.

The only real, material advantage an assault rifle has over a shotgun in this context is higher capacity...but that is not an advantage with such real-life-scenario meaning that it's worth picking over a handgun (if you want capacity) or a shotgun.

Indeed, if you want to see where assault rifles really shine, you'd have to ask the thousands of ordinary Joes and Janes (children included) whose torsos and heads have been hollowed out by assailants with assault rifles.

Why does this matter so much? Why do the wacky libs like me (and my guns) keep coming back to this point?

Because the fact that lunatics like you look to unfettered access to assault rifles as something like a sacred entitlement - "taking them" being a line that must NEVER be crossed - makes plain that this is purely an emotional issue for you.

And I'm really, really fucking tired at instance after instance of children being hollowed out in service of your fragile, insecure, weak bullshit.

Well you just cleared up the fact that you are pretty clueless when it comes to guns. Lol.

Ok, split-level Rambo.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Right in the name? You do understand that AR doesn't even stand for assault rifle? Lol

I know Fish mentioned assault rifles but I missed the part where he said AR stands for assault rifle.
Can/will you please provide it for me?

[twocoach]

Right in the name? You do understand that AR doesn't even stand for assault rifle? Lol

Did I say "AR"?

Jesus Christ, take a few deep breaths. If literally all you have is taking a swing at a gotcha that isn't even there...just admit this is about emotion for you, and nothing more.

It's just about arguing for him.

[jfish26]

Right in the name? You do understand that AR doesn't even stand for assault rifle? Lol

Did I say "AR"?

Jesus Christ, take a few deep breaths. If literally all you have is taking a swing at a gotcha that isn't even there...just admit this is about emotion for you, and nothing more.

It's just about arguing for him.

I don't think so. I think he is so taken by the grift that he genuinely, deeply, sadly-hilariously-wrongly believes what he is repeating.

[twocoach]

Did I say "AR"?

Jesus Christ, take a few deep breaths. If literally all you have is taking a swing at a gotcha that isn't even there...just admit this is about emotion for you, and nothing more.

It's just about arguing for him.

I don't think so. I think he is so taken by the grift that he genuinely, deeply, sadly-hilariously-wrongly believes what he is repeating.

He just parrots the stupid argument points that are passed to him on social media. I see arguments about them on social media and can count on him arguing the same things within a few days. The old "AR doesn't stand for assault rifle, you know nothing about guns" is the same stupid deflection point made by idiots who have no legit argument other than a lame slippery slope argument that they come for everything if you give them anything which has been proven to be false for the entire history of gun legislation to date.

[randylahey]

Now you're just backpedaling. AR is short for armalite. Not assault rifle. No gun is actually named assault rifle. Your "in the name" comment was wrong. That's just a generic term used to scare people. Propaganda

[KUTradition]

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[KUTradition]

Now you're just backpedaling. AR is short for armalite. Not assault rifle. No gun is actually named assault rifle. Your "in the name" comment was wrong. That's just a generic term used to scare people. Propaganda

you sure you don’t have an insta or tweet to back that up, dipshit

edit: you’re wrong anyway, dumbfuck

[randylahey]

By the way handguns make up the majority of guns in this country, the majority of gun deaths in this country, and even the majority of "mass shootings" (shootings involving 6 or more people) in this country.

But restricting the higher powered guns has nothing to do with saving lives or safety, those guns make up the minority of gun violence in this country. It's about the government having control, and taking away civilians strongest defense is the first step

They just brainwash people into supporting gun control using those talking points, which obviously works listening to you guys

[KUTradition]

[twocoach]

Now you're just backpedaling. AR is short for armalite. Not assault rifle. No gun is actually named assault rifle. Your "in the name" comment was wrong. That's just a generic term used to scare people. Propaganda

JFC, I assume you've had this explained to you 100 times before but I'll try just in case. It's a category name that is even used to describe certain types of weapons by the US Army.

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:

- It must be capable of selective fire.
- It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle; examples of intermediate cartridges are the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62×39mm and 5.56×45mm NATO.
- Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
- It must have an effective range of at least 300 meters.

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are not assault rifles according to the U.S. Army's definition.

[randylahey]

The same people that want gun control probably supported sending ar15s to ukraine and arming all those citizens. All the guns in the United States are a huge reason no foreign enemy has ever invaded us. It's our best line of defense against an invading enemy, foreign or domestic.

[KUTradition]

love it

back to whole “banning them won’t solve all gun deaths” argument

piece of shit 101, ladies and gentlemen

[KUTradition]

The same people that want gun control probably supported sending ar15s to ukraine and arming all those citizens. All the guns in the United States are a huge reason no foreign enemy has ever invaded us. It's our best line of defense against an invading enemy, foreign or domestic.

more lies?

i guess if that’s all you’ve got…

[randylahey]

Now you're just backpedaling. AR is short for armalite. Not assault rifle. No gun is actually named assault rifle. Your "in the name" comment was wrong. That's just a generic term used to scare people. Propaganda

you sure you don’t have an insta or tweet to back that up, dipshit

edit: you’re wrong anyway, dumbfuck

Good one. When you have no argument and know you're wrong, just call him a name. Make it as obvious as you can I'm winning the argument

[randylahey]

Go try to buy a gun and ask for an "assault rifle" and see how they look at you then.

[KUTradition]

Now you're just backpedaling. AR is short for armalite. Not assault rifle. No gun is actually named assault rifle. Your "in the name" comment was wrong. That's just a generic term used to scare people. Propaganda

you sure you don’t have an insta or tweet to back that up, dipshit

edit: you’re wrong anyway, dumbfuck

Good one. When you have no argument and know you're wrong, just call him a name. Make it as obvious as you can I'm winning the argument

no, you’re just wrong (and a dipshit)

AR doesn’t stand for Armalite…close, but no cigar, you ignorant fuck

[twocoach]

By the way handguns make up the majority of guns in this country, the majority of gun deaths in this country, and even the majority of "mass shootings" (shootings involving 6 or more people) in this country.

But restricting the higher powered guns has nothing to do with saving lives or safety, those guns make up the minority of gun violence in this country. It's about the government having control, and taking away civilians strongest defense is the first step

They just brainwash people into supporting gun control using those talking points, which obviously works listening to you guys

Restricting access to military style assault rifles and high capacity magazines is intended to try to reduce mass shooting incidents where large amounts of people uninvolved in an incident are targeted to be murdered.
Restricting access to any weapons, be they handguns or long guns, by people with known mental health issues or documented domestic violence cases/situations is intended to cut down on the total volume of deaths by guns, including those by handguns.

This just isn't that complicated to understand. Putting seatbelts in cars wasn't about controlling the public. Nor are speed limits. Not are drunk driving restrictions, etc... it is an effort to address a problem where citizens are proving unable to control or avoid the problems themselves.