Another mass shooting

[randylahey]

Look I know you guys mean well. But so did the people in nazi Germany when hitler convinced them that citizens didn't need access to gones either. With the exact same argument, do it for the safety of the children! Its not coincidence that the shootings that get nonstop media coverage are whenever it's a school shooting

Do i think our government has as sinister intention as hitler? Of course not. But do they have the same agenda? Sort of, it's also about power and control.

So it would be naive of us to allow ourselves to get manipulated into history repeating itself

No one here is calling for all guns to be confiscated so stop repeating that same dumb claim. There is a difference between "taking everyone's guns" and "red flagging people who have reported mental health issues or domestic violence/restraining order situations". You're making shit up and then criticizing people for supporting your made up claim.

But twocoach, if we take assault rifles away from people who beat their wives, where will BIG GOVERNMENT AND THE CABAL OF GLOBALIST ELITES stop?

Use the growth of taxes fees and regulations as a barometer. Look at the way that has grown through the years.

People in power don't tend to give it up freely, in fact they try to accumulate more if left unchecked

[randylahey]

While you're at it. Read up on all these things.

1) restrict public access to firearms
2) restrict public access to free speech
3) remove politic opponents

And find one example of "good people" who did all that. You won't. The sinister most power hungry people in history is who has done those sort of things

Your democrat platform is openly and actively trying to do all 3

1) There are ample good examples of certain select restrictions on who can buy certain weapons both in this country and in other countries
2) "access to free speech"? As in "every social media platform should have unfiltered access and anything that anyone wants to say on it should be allowed to remain on the platform? Uh, yeah, there are a lot of good examples of restrictions on social media content being removed.
3) "Remove politic opponents"? I assume that you're talking about the Colorado case of Trump being removed from the ballot due to his role in Jan. 6th. We have laws for a reason. If you do not want to face consequences then behave accordingly like the rest of us have to. Being a politician does not mean you are above the law. None of the regular citizens who participated in the Jan 6th actions would be allowed on the ballot in Colorado according to the Constitution, even though none of them were charged with "insurrection" specifically, either. Trump also participated so Trump should also not be allowed.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution apply to you like some selective followers of the Bible...

So in your mind trump should he removed from ballots, despite not being convicted or even charged with a crime?

And despite not even being present at the January 6th incident?

That doesn't check out. If anything is a threat to democracy, it's trying to remove people from ballots

[jfish26]

No one here is calling for all guns to be confiscated so stop repeating that same dumb claim. There is a difference between "taking everyone's guns" and "red flagging people who have reported mental health issues or domestic violence/restraining order situations". You're making shit up and then criticizing people for supporting your made up claim.

But twocoach, if we take assault rifles away from people who beat their wives, where will BIG GOVERNMENT AND THE CABAL OF GLOBALIST ELITES stop?

Use the growth of taxes fees and regulations as a barometer. Look at the way that has grown through the years.

People in power don't tend to give it up freely, in fact they try to accumulate more if left unchecked

And nothing says “power to the people” like…checks notes…spending over a billion bucks over the last ten years on assault rifles with Daniel Defense, Smith & Wesson, Sturm Ruger, Sig Sauer and Bushmaster Firearms.

[jfish26]

While you're at it. Read up on all these things.

1) restrict public access to firearms
2) restrict public access to free speech
3) remove politic opponents

And find one example of "good people" who did all that. You won't. The sinister most power hungry people in history is who has done those sort of things

Your democrat platform is openly and actively trying to do all 3

1) There are ample good examples of certain select restrictions on who can buy certain weapons both in this country and in other countries
2) "access to free speech"? As in "every social media platform should have unfiltered access and anything that anyone wants to say on it should be allowed to remain on the platform? Uh, yeah, there are a lot of good examples of restrictions on social media content being removed.
3) "Remove politic opponents"? I assume that you're talking about the Colorado case of Trump being removed from the ballot due to his role in Jan. 6th. We have laws for a reason. If you do not want to face consequences then behave accordingly like the rest of us have to. Being a politician does not mean you are above the law. None of the regular citizens who participated in the Jan 6th actions would be allowed on the ballot in Colorado according to the Constitution, even though none of them were charged with "insurrection" specifically, either. Trump also participated so Trump should also not be allowed.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution apply to you like some selective followers of the Bible...

So in your mind trump should he removed from ballots, despite not being convicted or even charged with a crime?

And despite not even being present at the January 6th incident?

That doesn't check out. If anything is a threat to democracy, it's trying to remove people from ballots

Take it up with the Constitution. Which not only does not require presence, but in fact expressly contemplates and covers someone NOT physically present.

Which, anyway, he fucking was!

[twocoach]

While you're at it. Read up on all these things.

1) restrict public access to firearms
2) restrict public access to free speech
3) remove politic opponents

And find one example of "good people" who did all that. You won't. The sinister most power hungry people in history is who has done those sort of things

Your democrat platform is openly and actively trying to do all 3

1) There are ample good examples of certain select restrictions on who can buy certain weapons both in this country and in other countries
2) "access to free speech"? As in "every social media platform should have unfiltered access and anything that anyone wants to say on it should be allowed to remain on the platform? Uh, yeah, there are a lot of good examples of restrictions on social media content being removed.
3) "Remove politic opponents"? I assume that you're talking about the Colorado case of Trump being removed from the ballot due to his role in Jan. 6th. We have laws for a reason. If you do not want to face consequences then behave accordingly like the rest of us have to. Being a politician does not mean you are above the law. None of the regular citizens who participated in the Jan 6th actions would be allowed on the ballot in Colorado according to the Constitution, even though none of them were charged with "insurrection" specifically, either. Trump also participated so Trump should also not be allowed.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution apply to you like some selective followers of the Bible...

So in your mind trump should he removed from ballots, despite not being convicted or even charged with a crime?

And despite not even being present at the January 6th incident?

That doesn't check out. If anything is a threat to democracy, it's trying to remove people from ballots

Multiple courts have now found him to be a participant in the actions of January 6th as there were months of actions that led to the event that the courts have found to have incited the event. I would personally rather he remain on the ballot but I can see that it is perfectly legal for a state to remove him from the ballot based on the laws of the state's where he has been removed and the specific wording of the Constitution. Ultimately, the Supreme Court will rule on the situation and we'll deal with the consequences of their decision whatever they may be.

[randylahey]

Did those courts consider all the blm riots as part of the "months of actions" that led to January 6th

The blm riots were much more deadly and destructive, and the same people condemning January 6th spend the previous year making excuses for the "mostly peaceful protests" and normalizing riots in general

Without the blm riots, there is no way our country fast forwards to January 6th

[jfish26]

Did those courts consider all the blm riots as part of the "months of actions" that led to January 6th

The blm riots were much more deadly and destructive, and the same people condemning January 6th spend the previous year making excuses for the "mostly peaceful protests" and normalizing riots in general

Without the blm riots, there is no way our country fast forwards to January 6th

This is…not how it works.

If Biden loses the 2024 election and uses the powers of the office to, along with frivolous legal challenges and fraudulent submissions of slates of fake electors, induce BLM to violently stop Congress from certifying Trump’s victory in accordance with the law, then I will happily concede that Biden is disqualified from running again.

[Overlander]

BLM riots.
Yet another boogeyman, placed delicately between Antifa and Hunters laptop.

[KUTradition]

somebody is flailing

[jfish26]

BLM riots.
Yet another boogeyman, placed delicately between Antifa and Hunters laptop.

I think it was Johnny Cochran who said, “if anyone else did something I don’t like, you must acquit.”

[randylahey]

BLM riots.
Yet another boogeyman, placed delicately between Antifa and Hunters laptop.

Did those not happen?

[randylahey]

Did those courts consider all the blm riots as part of the "months of actions" that led to January 6th

The blm riots were much more deadly and destructive, and the same people condemning January 6th spend the previous year making excuses for the "mostly peaceful protests" and normalizing riots in general

Without the blm riots, there is no way our country fast forwards to January 6th

This is…not how it works.

If Biden loses the 2024 election and uses the powers of the office to, along with frivolous legal challenges and fraudulent submissions of slates of fake electors, induce BLM to violently stop Congress from certifying Trump’s victory in accordance with the law, then I will happily concede that Biden is disqualified from running again.

Well obviously it's not how it works. But it set the stage. It's kind of like a safety holding the a receiver retaliating, then being the one hit with a penalty

[jfish26]

Did those courts consider all the blm riots as part of the "months of actions" that led to January 6th

The blm riots were much more deadly and destructive, and the same people condemning January 6th spend the previous year making excuses for the "mostly peaceful protests" and normalizing riots in general

Without the blm riots, there is no way our country fast forwards to January 6th

This is…not how it works.

If Biden loses the 2024 election and uses the powers of the office to, along with frivolous legal challenges and fraudulent submissions of slates of fake electors, induce BLM to violently stop Congress from certifying Trump’s victory in accordance with the law, then I will happily concede that Biden is disqualified from running again.

Well obviously it's not how it works. But it set the stage. It's kind of like a safety holding the a receiver retaliating, then being the one hit with a penalty

Anger at BLM isn’t a defense to insurrection.

[jfish26]

Did those courts consider all the blm riots as part of the "months of actions" that led to January 6th

The blm riots were much more deadly and destructive, and the same people condemning January 6th spend the previous year making excuses for the "mostly peaceful protests" and normalizing riots in general

Without the blm riots, there is no way our country fast forwards to January 6th

This is…not how it works.

If Biden loses the 2024 election and uses the powers of the office to, along with frivolous legal challenges and fraudulent submissions of slates of fake electors, induce BLM to violently stop Congress from certifying Trump’s victory in accordance with the law, then I will happily concede that Biden is disqualified from running again.

Well obviously it's not how it works. But it set the stage. It's kind of like a safety holding the a receiver retaliating, then being the one hit with a penalty

And also...if you believe that 1/6 was "retaliating" for BLM protests, then you're at an even uglier place than I thought.

[randylahey]

Obviously. I'm not talking about for legalities for a criminal case, which by the way there isn't one, as trump was never even charged

But we all know it was part of the big picture, as was covid and everything else that lead up to the election

[randylahey]

This is…not how it works.

If Biden loses the 2024 election and uses the powers of the office to, along with frivolous legal challenges and fraudulent submissions of slates of fake electors, induce BLM to violently stop Congress from certifying Trump’s victory in accordance with the law, then I will happily concede that Biden is disqualified from running again.

Well obviously it's not how it works. But it set the stage. It's kind of like a safety holding the a receiver retaliating, then being the one hit with a penalty

And also...if you believe that 1/6 was "retaliating" for BLM protests, then you're at an even uglier place than I thought.

Never said a word about retaliation. Just said it normalized these big protests

[jfish26]

Well obviously it's not how it works. But it set the stage. It's kind of like a safety holding the a receiver retaliating, then being the one hit with a penalty

And also...if you believe that 1/6 was "retaliating" for BLM protests, then you're at an even uglier place than I thought.

Never said a word about retaliation. Just said it normalized these big protests

It was your word. In your analogy.

[jfish26]

Obviously. I'm not talking about for legalities for a criminal case, which by the way there isn't one, as trump was never even charged

But we all know it was part of the big picture, as was covid and everything else that lead up to the election

Trump’s many criminal cases are only sort of related to, and the disposition of them doesn’t really matter in terms of, 14A-3.

You don’t know what you’re talking about on this issue.

[randylahey]

Obviously. I'm not talking about for legalities for a criminal case, which by the way there isn't one, as trump was never even charged

But we all know it was part of the big picture, as was covid and everything else that lead up to the election

Trump’s many criminal cases are only sort of related to, and the disposition of them doesn’t really matter in terms of, 14A-3.

You don’t know what you’re talking about on this issue.

So you're saying the blm protests and covid had no impact on the election/Jan 6th?

[jfish26]

Obviously. I'm not talking about for legalities for a criminal case, which by the way there isn't one, as trump was never even charged

But we all know it was part of the big picture, as was covid and everything else that lead up to the election

Trump’s many criminal cases are only sort of related to, and the disposition of them doesn’t really matter in terms of, 14A-3.

You don’t know what you’re talking about on this issue.

So you're saying the blm protests and covid had no impact on the election/Jan 6th?

What I’m saying is that BLM protests have absolutely nothing to do with 14A-3.