What happened to the immigration thread?

[randylahey]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

[Sparko]

You mean the ones from Texas?

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

As far as "time", you're a little late. It's been "time" for a long time.
Instead of our politicians uniting to work on the problem/s, they prefer to be assholes to one another and the problem/s continue to get worse. God Bless America!

[jfish26]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

You really do not even bother to learn *anything* about the nonsense you amplify, do you.

You’re lifting that right from the NY Post’s headline (or how F&F is covering it this morning), and presenting it here without, you know, factual context.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/09/metro/mig ... igh-winds/

The ACTUAL story is that NYC is housing migrants in a tent shelter, and severe weather is causing that tent shelter to be unsafe, and so the migrants are being moved to a high school for one day.

This is bad of course.

But presenting something bad as something cataclysmic is yet another example of just how soft and weak your arguments are.

[jfish26]

Postscript: the migrants were gone from the school before 5am.

https://x.com/nycemergencymgt/status/17 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

[Sparko]

I have it on good authority they interrupted home schooling for children forced to watch it on Fox News

[japhy]

I know I have said this before but I will repeat myself for the chronically misinformed.

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

Thank you undocumented immigrants for helping keep our SS system afloat!

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

Approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S. with no legal authorization to work, yet an estimated 8 million do, both on and off the books. Since undocumented immigrants don’t have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work legally in the U.S., they are not eligible for any Social Security benefits, whether they’ve paid into the system or not.

How undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security

Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none.

Undocumented immigrants’ payments into the Social Security funds become a murkier matter when they are self-employed. By law, anyone earning an income while in the United States is required to pay taxes, even if they are breaking other laws in doing so.

“The government, the IRS, will never say no to your tax dollars,” said Abigail Zapote, the executive director of the D.C.-based nonprofit Latinos for a Secure Retirement, with a laugh.

Many undocumented sole proprietors, from gardeners to tech startup founders, pay self-employment taxes through an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, legally issued by the IRS. It would be easy enough not to pay anything to the IRS, especially if paid in cash. But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in good standing with the government should there be an opportunity to apply for a green card or citizenship in the future. Undocumented immigrants who pay self-employment taxes via an ITIN also pay into the Social Security funds, however there are no statistics on exact dollar amounts.
Undocumented immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security funds help its finances, especially because they are not receiving benefits, explains Monique Morrissey, an economist who focuses on retirement at the Economic Policy Institute, a D.C.-based think tank. But since “it’s done so on the backs of the more vulnerable people in society,” she said, “it’s not a good thing.”

Population Growth and Social Security

Deporting undocumented immigrants would have a negative impact, short and long term, on the Social Security funds, which are directly linked to population growth, Morrissey said. She points out that the U.S. has a near stagnant native-born population, “Deaths and births are close to cancelling each other out.”

The way Social Security works is that today’s beneficiaries receive money thanks to the current workers paying into the system who will then ideally receive the same benefit payouts when they age and are no longer able to work.

Since the future of Social Security’s solvency is contingent on population growth, it’s inexorably linked to immigration. Immigrants are a major source of population growth in the U.S., both undocumented and those who immigrate legally, which includes the “future citizens” they might produce over the next 20, 40, 60, 80 years.

[Overlander]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

Shuffling immigrants around?
Yes, gone WAY too far.

[MICHHAWK]

texas doesn't want to be greedy. so they are sharing the wealth.





shuffle them a few hours further north. and canada can share in the good fortune.

[jfish26]

Giggle giggle, human trafficking is hilarious! Yuks all around.

[randylahey]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

Shuffling immigrants around?
Yes, gone WAY too far.

If we are at the point of having to shut down a school to "shuffle them around" there are clearly too many here and we clearly have an immigration problem

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Some people minimize the immigration issues. Some maximize them.
I tend to maximize them because I witness first hand some of the many issues.
We have a major problem in this country right now.

[Overlander]

NYC high school shut it doors to students to house 2000 illegal immigrants. Time to admit this has gone too far?

Shuffling immigrants around?
Yes, gone WAY too far.

If we are at the point of having to shut down a school to "shuffle them around" there are clearly too many here and we clearly have an immigration problem

Let’s keep this bullshit up.
Then you can bitch about the $200k roof replacement on your moms house…and your $21 Big Mac

[Sparko]

Some people minimize the immigration issues. Some maximize them.
I tend to maximize them because I witness first hand some of the many issues.
We have a major problem in this country right now.

Just like when they built the intercontinental railroad.

[Overlander]

Some people minimize the immigration issues. Some maximize them.
I tend to maximize them because I witness first hand some of the many issues.
We have a major problem in this country right now.

Just like when they built the intercontinental railroad.

Pretty sure that work was all performed by good ‘ol white Union Workers

[Shirley]

"Christian" Texas Gov., Gregg Abbott

[jfish26]

You know, one of those country-is-at-stake emergencies that can wait a year.

Rubes - pay attention to what they are telling you. This is 10000000% about fear. Politics, not policy.

https://x.com/jakesherman/status/174671 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

MORE ON THE BORDER —
— SCALISE says senate bill is DOA in house
JOHNSON says congress can’t solve border until Trump is elected or a republican is back in the White House.

[KUTradition]

…and the randis and psychs of the country lap that shit up

i mean, how can they work on immigration when they’re so busy investigating hunter and making up reasons to impeach joe?

[jfish26]

…and the randis and psychs of the country lap that shit up

i mean, how can they work on immigration when they’re so busy investigating hunter and making up reasons to impeach joe?

It’s a fucking shitshow. And the smart folks in the party know that 2024 will be yet another buzzsaw at the ballot box if Trump and women’s rights are still hung around its neck. There is simply not a path to doing better in 2024 through smashing the brown panic button for years on end.

I am of course aware of the scare polling, but the fact is that Rs have been losing (or, in strongholds, underperforming) in nearly all meaningful elections at any level starting with 2020 general.

[MICHHAWK]

demonrats desire an open border. republicans do not want an open border.

your postings during an election year is a $#itshow. desiring rules and regulations is not a $#it$#ow.