2024

[MICHHAWK]

oh.

[KUTradition]

lol at randi’s response…so predictable

[jfish26]

oh.

oh what

[jfish26]

lol at randi’s response…so predictable

The Randalls of the world simply cannot comprehend that Trump really, truly is a single-issue candidate: himself.

First, last, only, always.

He has no principles beyond (1) staying out of jail, (2) enriching himself, and (3) punishing his enemies.

[Sparko]

Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.

[jfish26]

Cobbling together a coalition in support of policies, programs and people that are, generally, highly unpopular...can result in strange bedfellows.

[ousdahl]

Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.

For the sake of this thread, let’s set aside the Ukraine issue specifically.

Let’s instead bring up another “war machine” issue that appears far more relevant in this thread, as it is costing Biden far more dearly.

Do we think any narrative that even slightly deviates from “stand with Israel (by handing them another blank check’s worth of weapons),” is also Russian propaganda?

And, just for shits and gigs: randy what’s your take on the Israel/Palestine issue specifically?

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?

No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.

[jfish26]

you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?

No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.

In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).

[Overlander]

you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?

No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.

In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).

100% fact

[Shirley]

No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.

In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).

100% fact

^^^

[zsn]

Dementia J Trump confusing Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi

Man, woman, person………Camembert????

Randy and mich would be here screaming if Uncle Joe had done something even remotely similar. Yet…….the media narrative is……….

[Shirley]

There's no such thing as media bias, zsn:

[Shirley]

I have to admit that I ignore Tim Scott, for the most part. Frankly, it's hard for me to take a Black Evangelical Christian hypocrite like him, seriously. So, other than seeing his endorsement of Trump yesterday as a not very subtle, brownnosing attempt on his part to be named Trump's VP candidate in the future or at least remain relevant, and a stab in the back to former SC Gov Nikki Haley who appointed him to be a senator in the first place, I didn't think about it much. But, Mitchell has a point:

January 20, 2024-It is no surprise that Tim Scott endorsed Donald Trump. It is also apparent that Scott would be a very strong running mate for Trump

Mitchell MInute 1775-Tim Scott Endorses Donald Trump

That being said, Stefanik as Trump's VP would be even worse.

[jfish26]

https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.

Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.

[KUTradition]

https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.

Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.

there’s a recent Salon piece that i meant to post that basically says the same

it’s the normalization of truly disturbing behavior and comments, and anyone saying they’re just words and bluster hasn’t been paying attention (or is doing so intentionally with some motivations that are very much anti-Democracy)

[randylahey]

Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.

The war machine isn't disinformation

Our country has been constantly involved in foreign conflicts for decades and decades. And a lot of people make huge profits from it. And it keeps us in power. We have military bases all over the world

[jfish26]

https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.

Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.

there’s a recent Salon piece that i meant to post that basically says the same

it’s the normalization of truly disturbing behavior and comments, and anyone saying they’re just words and bluster hasn’t been paying attention (or is doing so intentionally with some motivations that are very much anti-Democracy)

Trump’s literal, says-it-out-loud-over-and-over-again position is that the Constitution puts one person outside the reach of the law.

[Sparko]

Randy: the real war machine is "Libertarians" against the people of the U.S.: Health care, infrastructure, fair wages, taxes--all stomped on every day by rich oligarchs. And it is time we started defining it as such--war against democracy.

[DCHawk1]

Dementia J Trump confusing Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi

Man, woman, person………Camembert????

Randy and mich would be here screaming if Uncle Joe had done something even remotely similar. Yet…….the media narrative is……….

LOL

Of course Trump is old and confused (among many other things).

But you don't get it both ways.

Either this is a nothingburger or Biden is unfit for office.

Pick one.