2024

[jfish26]

DeSantis, he gone.

Ball game.

TODAY it looks like it's going to be Democratic Old Balls and Broken Brain vs. Republican Old Balls and Broken Brain for Super Bowl 2024.
WE ALL LOSE!

I would just ask - what are the five MOST damning documented instances supporting the conclusion that Biden’s brain is broken?

Or three, or ten. Whatever.

My point is that - very much acknowledging my biases - it sure seems like this line of thinking has achieved escape velocity and is now just presumed as fact…but I’m not sure the evidence supports the conclusion that Biden and Trump are equivalently compromised, cognitively.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

DeSantis, he gone.

Ball game.

TODAY it looks like it's going to be Democratic Old Balls and Broken Brain vs. Republican Old Balls and Broken Brain for Super Bowl 2024.
WE ALL LOSE!

I would just ask - what are the five MOST damning documented instances supporting the conclusion that Biden’s brain is broken?

Or three, or ten. Whatever.

My point is that - very much acknowledging my biases - it sure seems like this line of thinking has achieved escape velocity and is now just presumed as fact…but I’m not sure the evidence supports the conclusion that Biden and Trump are equivalently compromised, cognitively.

"Broken" is me exaggerating. I'm 57 years old.
Parts of my body and mind are "broken" compared to when I was in my youth.

"equivalently"? The "equivalent" is that...... Both men have had (and have shown) cognitive decline in the past 4 years.
You're an attorney. I am confident if you were forced to provide specific examples to argue in favor of my claim, you could do as such in an extremely convincing manner.

[jfish26]

Ball game.

TODAY it looks like it's going to be Democratic Old Balls and Broken Brain vs. Republican Old Balls and Broken Brain for Super Bowl 2024.
WE ALL LOSE!

I would just ask - what are the five MOST damning documented instances supporting the conclusion that Biden’s brain is broken?

Or three, or ten. Whatever.

My point is that - very much acknowledging my biases - it sure seems like this line of thinking has achieved escape velocity and is now just presumed as fact…but I’m not sure the evidence supports the conclusion that Biden and Trump are equivalently compromised, cognitively.

"Broken" is me exaggerating. I'm 57 years old.
Parts of my body and mind are "broken" compared to when I was in my youth.

"equivalently"? The "equivalent" is that...... Both men have had (and have shown) cognitive decline in the past 4 years.
You're an attorney. I am confident if you were forced to provide specific examples to argue in favor of my claim, you could do as such in an extremely convincing manner.

I’m not sure I could, really. I can’t think of much off the top of my head beyond immaterial, benign gaffes and things like that?

That’s why I ask.

To me, it is highly telling that his detractors want to say he’s a puppet of Obama or various other figures…being propped up behind the scenes…because the only reason you’d need to say someone else is pulling the strings is if his actual RECORD was quite strong (and you need to separate the candidate from his record).

Putting it differently, if his record sucked, you would absolutely NOT let him off the hook for it by blaming Obama. Right?

His record is quite strong, in my opinion, and that is a problem for his challengers.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I'm the guy who said Obama is NOT pulling his strings and I'm the guy who agrees and feels his record is strong. So you and I are on the same page there.
I THINK the man has shown signs of the lights going off in his head numerous times. More than just gaffes. More like complete confusion.

[Shirley]

I'm the guy who said Obama is NOT pulling his strings and I'm the guy who agrees and feels his record is strong. So you and I are on the same page there.
I THINK the man has shown signs of the lights going off in his head numerous times. More than just gaffes. More like complete confusion.

Insert evidence, ________.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I'm the guy who said Obama is NOT pulling his strings and I'm the guy who agrees and feels his record is strong. So you and I are on the same page there.
I THINK the man has shown signs of the lights going off in his head numerous times. More than just gaffes. More like complete confusion.

Insert evidence, ________.

Are you guys seriously asking me for evidence and examples? The Internet is your friend. Or enemy.
I suggest you start with the Deborah Ross confusion, go to the confusion getting off the helicopter a couple of weeks ago, then check out his confusion at APEC meetings, then check out......

[jfish26]

I'm the guy who said Obama is NOT pulling his strings and I'm the guy who agrees and feels his record is strong. So you and I are on the same page there.
I THINK the man has shown signs of the lights going off in his head numerous times. More than just gaffes. More like complete confusion.

Insert evidence, ________.

Are you guys seriously asking me for evidence and examples? The Internet is your friend. Or enemy.
I suggest you start with the Deborah Ross confusion, go to the confusion getting off the helicopter a couple of weeks ago, then check out his confusion at APEC meetings, then check out......

This is why I asked for some number of the best examples. Because I don’t think even the very WORST examples are nearly as bad as the narrative.

[Overlander]

Like….confusing Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi bad?

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Like….confusing Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi bad?

Yes. At times worse. At times not as bad. They both are showing mental decline and I want neither man to be my President in 2025 (and beyond).
I have a feeling Trump's VP choice very well may be the difference maker in the election - assuming he (and his VP choice) is on the ballot.
Will be interesting to see how he plays that card.

[Sparko]

Like….confusing Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi bad?

Yes. At times worse. At times not as bad. They both are showing mental decline and I want neither man to be my President in 2025 (and beyond).
I have a feeling Trump's VP choice very well may be the difference maker in the election - assuming he (and his VP choice) is on the ballot.
Will be interesting to see how he plays that card.

In prison.

[Sparko]

Gutter, things are going well. Not sure how to convince you to maybe chill out on Biden.

But you have to admit, Sparko, Biden isn't perfect.

His basic decency remains fully extant. Trump is a decency away from decency

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Gutter, things are going well. Not sure how to convince you to maybe chill out on Biden.

Yes, some/many "things" are going well. Those "things" that Biden truly deserves credit for - fantastic! I mean that. He's deserves credit.
Problem is, some/many "things" are NOT going well. Those "things" that Biden deserves blame for - fuck him. I mean that. He deserves blame.
Kind of like how I felt about Trump - but I believe Joe is a better man for the job than I believe Trump is. That I can and do admit to.
I fully understand we are yet to have a perfect President and never will. I just refuse to ignore the problems in this country and the world (that our President has at least SOME bearing on) because some/many "things" are good.

I'm a lot more chilled out on Biden than I would be if Trump was/gets elected. If someone forced me to vote today, Joey Bag of Doughnuts would get my vote.

[DCHawk1]

Gutter, things are going well. Not sure how to convince you to maybe chill out on Biden.

But you have to admit, Sparko, Biden isn't perfect.

His basic decency remains fully extant. Trump is a decency away from decency

LOL.

Trump is a criminal and wannabe gangster, but Biden has always been an asshole.

[jfish26]

Like….confusing Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi bad?

Yes. At times worse. At times not as bad. They both are showing mental decline and I want neither man to be my President in 2025 (and beyond).
I have a feeling Trump's VP choice very well may be the difference maker in the election - assuming he (and his VP choice) is on the ballot.
Will be interesting to see how he plays that card.

I strongly disagree that his VP choice is a potential needle-mover; he's not going to pick anyone who solves any of his problems (and, I think he'll probably pick someone who makes them worse).

There is one PARTICULARLY sad outcome that I'm not expecting to come to pass, but if it does, I'll feel sorry for Tim S. Or maybe that is too specific and revealing, perhaps I should say "Sen. Scott."

[twocoach]

Like….confusing Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi bad?

Yes. At times worse. At times not as bad. They both are showing mental decline and I want neither man to be my President in 2025 (and beyond).
I have a feeling Trump's VP choice very well may be the difference maker in the election - assuming he (and his VP choice) is on the ballot.
Will be interesting to see how he plays that card.

Trump's VP choice isn't going to sway any voters. You either want Trumpism,, want to vote against Trumpism or you sit out the election due to apathy or in protest of our two shitty choices.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

[twocoach]

I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

We'll see who he picks and what the opinion of them is.

[jfish26]

I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, play the game then. What realistic candidates are out there that you think would move the needle upward?

[DCHawk1]

I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, play the game then. What realistic candidates are out there that you think would move the needle upward?

Move the needle upward -- for voters in general or for you/me/this board?

I think voters would be impressed with a cross-party choice, which is why I keep circling back to Tulsi. Sure, the activist D base hates her, but 40+% of voters are independents and don't give a shit what the D base thinks.

Beyond the idea of a running mate helping to turn the tide of an election, I think Gutter is right that the decision matters a great deal. Actuarially speaking, neither Trump nor Biden should be expected to finish the term ending January 20, 2029. In some ways, then, the choice comes down to Harris vs. ????

[jfish26]

I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, play the game then. What realistic candidates are out there that you think would move the needle upward?

Move the needle upward -- for voters in general or for you/me/this board?

I think voters would be impressed with a cross-party choice, which is why I keep circling back to Tulsi. Sure, the activist D base hates her, but 40+% of voters are independents and don't give a shit what the D base thinks.

Beyond the idea of a running mate helping to turn the tide of an election, I think Gutter is right that the decision matters a great deal. Actuarially speaking, neither Trump nor Biden should be expected to finish the term ending January 20, 2029. In some ways, then, the choice comes down to Harris vs. ????

I don’t find the actuarial analysis compelling in this particular sample.

I was asking the question broadly, not about this board.