2024

[Overlander]

Saying racism is a myth is kind of like a giant yellow highlighter identifying you as a racist

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Question I was asked 5 minutes ago.....
If you had to guess, how many people no longer speak to one another, many of them family members, because of the toxic pile of shit?
"toxic pile of shit" being Donald Trump.
The person who asked me the question said he believes millionS. I don't know about that but I do know it's more than 2 and less than 9 billion.

Here is my question.
In your lifetime, has Donald Trump been the most divisive American?
I would have to definitely say yes with Barack Obama being a not so distant 2nd. Please feel free to agree or attack.

[jfish26]

...for longer than the album version of Stairway to Heaven.

Although Stairway was, indeed, released as a promotional single, the single version IS the album version, with no changes to content or run-time.

I am, however, aware of live performances that extended into minutes in the teens, and I did not want to inadvertently exaggerate or mislead on the length of time the officer’s knee was on the victim’s neck.

[jfish26]

Saying racism is a myth is kind of like a giant yellow highlighter identifying you as a racist

My issue - and it’s for another thread I guess, and probably isn’t for this board generally - is that “black white purple green etc” and its rhetorical cousins share the same fundamental failing as certain folks’ arguments in favor of mandatory voter ID, and in favor of flat income taxes, and lots of other things.

They sound clever, and can absolutely be intended in good faith. But they fall apart when you look (sorry) more than skin deep.

[twocoach]

Question I was asked 5 minutes ago.....
If you had to guess, how many people no longer speak to one another, many of them family members, because of the toxic pile of shit?
"toxic pile of shit" being Donald Trump.
The person who asked me the question said he believes millionS. I don't know about that but I do know it's more than 2 and less than 9 billion.

Here is my question.
In your lifetime, has Donald Trump been the most divisive American?
I would have to definitely say yes with Barack Obama being a not so distant 2nd. Please feel free to agree or attack.

I think millions would be a fair guess. I personally have ended any sort of relationship with my cousin and his wife which means I probably will not have any more interaction with his two kids and their families either. I have a few more distant relatives (cousins of my Dad) who I probably will never interact with either unless they show up uninvited to my father's funeral when that day comes in the hopefully very distant future.

And yes, I would vote Trump as the most divisive American. He had to pit citizens vs citizens to get elected because he had no merits that would earn him votes.

[Shirley]

Tens of millions.

Trump easily by many, many times. Much worse than Nixon, and that's saying something.

I agree, Obama didn't know his place.

[jfish26]

I have a close family member who I would absolutely put in the "ok with the evil shit in order to reap the personal benefits" camp, and it has certainly created a lot of distance.

[jfish26]

You know, in order to be a truly elite world-historical asshole, you need to nail the little things. The blocking and tackling. It can't JUST be the fun stuff - racism and sedition and grift and espionage and so on - all the time. Drive for show, putt for dough, I say.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/politics ... index.html

Attorney Roberta Kaplan said former President Donald Trump threw papers across a table and stormed off during a deposition at Mar-a-Lago after learning that his legal team had agreed to provide her lunch.

Kaplan, who has represented clients in high-profile cases against Trump, including E. Jean Carroll, said on an episode of the “George Conway Explains it All (to Sarah Longwell)” podcast recorded Thursday that she rejected the former president’s request that they work through a lunch break because he believed the deposition was “a waste of my time.”

“And then you could kind of see the wheel spinning in his brain. You could really almost see it,” Kaplan told Republican strategist Sarah Longwell and conservative attorney George Conway, a longtime Trump critic. “And he said, ‘Well, you’re here in Mar-a-Lago. What do you think you’re going to do for lunch? Where are you going to get lunch?’”

Kaplan said she told him that his attorneys had “graciously offered to provide” her team with lunch — a common civil practice between opposing legal teams.

“At which point there was a huge pile of documents, exhibits, sitting in front of him, and he took the pile and he just threw it across the table. And stormed out of the room,” Kaplan shared, adding that Trump specifically yelled at his lawyer Alina Habba for providing them lunch.

“He really yelled at Alina for that. He was so mad at Alina,” she said.

Kaplan continued: “He came back in and he said, ‘Well, how’d you like the lunch?’ And I said, ‘Well, sir, I had a banana. You know, I can never really eat when I’m taking testimony.’ And he said, ‘Well, I told you,’ — it was kind of charming. He said, ‘I told you, I told them to make you really bad sandwiches, but they can’t help themselves here. We have the best sandwiches.’”

[Cassandra]

Well, the main point was missed. No one here can prove that racism had anything to do with what went on with George Floyd's unfortunate situation, yet we had months of violence because it was assumed it was racism.

[KUTradition]

[jfish26]

Well, the main point was missed. No one here can prove that racism had anything to do with what went on with George Floyd's unfortunate situation, yet we had months of violence because it was assumed it was racism.

"ill treatment"

"unfortunate situation"

You're not even three-fifths of the way to accurately describing what happened.

[Cassandra]

Do you all understand how lethal fentanyl is? He swallowed some of it. I feel bad for the guy, but he was in major trouble before anything happened with the arrest.

But also, if you disagree with knee to the neck, fine. I don't agree with that approach either. But it was the state's decision to handle it this way. If you disagree with this, you're saying the state was wrong.

[jfish26]

Do you all understand how lethal fentanyl is? He swallowed some of it. I feel bad for the guy, but he was in major trouble before anything happened with the arrest.

But also, if you disagree with knee to the neck, fine. I don't agree with that approach either. But it was the state's decision to handle it this way. If you disagree with this, you're saying the state was wrong.

Tell it to ... the jury of Chauvin's peers, which jury unanimously convicted him of second degree murder.

[Cassandra]

LOL! As if the court system never does anything based on emotion. Manslaughter was the only possible charge that should have been considered, but even that was highly questionable.

Remember that short haired judge who set Kyle Rittenhouse's bond at 2 million? Well, she thought he was guilty of murder too. Judges are as dumb as the rest of us sometimes.

[KUTradition]

[jfish26]

LOL! As if the court system never does anything based on emotion. Manslaughter was the only possible charge that should have been considered, but even that was highly questionable.

Remember that short haired judge who set Kyle Rittenhouse's bond at 2 million? Well, she thought he was guilty of murder too. Judges are as dumb as the rest of us sometimes.

...you are making a very good argument in favor of requiring unanimous jury verdicts of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in cases where the person charged would go to prison if convicted.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Do you all understand how lethal fentanyl is? He swallowed some of it. I feel bad for the guy, but he was in major trouble before anything happened with the arrest.

But also, if you disagree with knee to the neck, fine. I don't agree with that approach either. But it was the state's decision to handle it this way. If you disagree with this, you're saying the state was wrong.

yes, I understand how "lethal" fentanyl CAN BE.
Help us out Perry Mason. When exactly did Floyd ingest the fentanyl? Was he not alive and breathing well before he had a knee on his neck? So what "major trouble" was he in due to fentanyl before the attempted arrest?
Why did toxicologists testify that the amount he had in his system was 11 nanograms per milliliter?
Which most experts will agree is not at all a "lethal" dose.

[DeletedUser]

I didn't know you guys did autopsies around here too.

Talk about a one stop shop!

[jhawks99]

Well, the main point was missed. No one here can prove that racism had anything to do with what went on with George Floyd's unfortunate situation, yet we had months of violence because it was assumed it was racism.

"ill treatment"

"unfortunate situation"

You're not even three-fifths of the way to accurately describing what happened.

I see what you did there

[twocoach]

Do you all understand how lethal fentanyl is? He swallowed some of it. I feel bad for the guy, but he was in major trouble before anything happened with the arrest.

But also, if you disagree with knee to the neck, fine. I don't agree with that approach either. But it was the state's decision to handle it this way. If you disagree with this, you're saying the state was wrong.

You seem to have ignored the links I provided where the Chief of Police testified that this was NOT within the acceptable policies of the police force. So I'll provide it AGAIN since I assume that you read it and it just slipped your mind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/de ... s-n1263079

Here's a youtube video of it if that's more to your liking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKecwmnHC2s

Here's the full testimony if you want to bitch about any editing in the first one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL1mEXR0XZg

Here's some fact checking that pokes holes in every dumb thing you are parroting from whatever source of ignorance you found it: https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/no-ch ... -TEALw_wcB