B12 2024

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twocoach wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:36 am
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twocoach wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:11 am

Which I would expect from every PF in the game compared to that team's PG. What are we doing here?
Huh?

Kj plays on the perimeter a ton. In fact last night he was the 2nd ball handler quite a bit.

It's about spacing. Not the letters next to their name in the box score (PG, PF, Etc.)
Standing on the perimeter during the play isn't the same. KJ has to be accounted for. EVERY team scouts KU and knows to keep track of where KJ is because of the threat of lobs, how well he passes and how good he is at that short roll. Harris doesn't have to be guarded at all on the perimeter and is terrible at finishing at the rim. He is a great passer except for the three times a game he throws mind bogglingly stupid passes.
It's simply not true that Harris doesn't have to be or isn't guarded on the perimeter.

Sounds good on the internet though.



Fyi, a defender going under a ball screen doesn't mean he is "not being guarded".
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He's shown enough willingness to take those shots this year that this has improved, I agree. But Harris is just flat out overrated because he was the starting PG on a title winner, period.
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Disagree on overrated. Not arguing it again. Pretty much all the experts and coaches we face (getting paid millions because they know basketball) disagree.

Some of you guys need scoring PGs to see the impact. Which is fine. DH is no Frank Mason, there's no arguing that.
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i won’t say he’s overrated generally, but i’m leaning towards him not having improved from last year (and maybe even regressed)
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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DeletedUser wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:48 am Disagree on overrated. Not arguing it again. Pretty much all the experts and coaches we face (getting paid millions because they know basketball) disagree.

Some of you guys need scoring PGs to see the impact. Which is fine. DH is no Frank Mason, there's no arguing that.
When you have multiple other guys who can shoot threes, Harris is great. He was awesome when Agbaji and Braun were both out there. When you don't, he's a huge liability.

KU chose to punish themselves by giving up 2 scholarships to the BS NCAA case and a third by recruiting a known female abuser. Then the problem was compounded by Timberlake turning out to be the biggest bust in the transfer portal. Self put this team in this situation.
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twocoach wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:57 am
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 9:48 am Disagree on overrated. Not arguing it again. Pretty much all the experts and coaches we face (getting paid millions because they know basketball) disagree.

Some of you guys need scoring PGs to see the impact. Which is fine. DH is no Frank Mason, there's no arguing that.
When you have multiple other guys who can shoot threes, Harris is great. He was awesome when Agbaji and Braun were both out there. When you don't, he's a huge liability.
Cough, cough, KJ.



(Furphy and KM are pretty good 3pt shooters).
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I love KJ for what he does well.

But he is an undersized forward. Yes he's strong and freakishly athletic and that helps, but and the end of the day hes probably 6'6 with a small wingspan. He plays 35 minutes a game at the 4 and only averages 4 rebounds. Most the guys he is matched up against are 6'9ish and able to exploit that some. Being an undersized forward who can't shoot from 3 is a big liability in today's game. Especially when you pair it with other players with offensive limitations
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Kj and DH are great pieces if they can be 3rd/4th or 4th/5th options offensively scoring wise.

If they are looked at to replace a 20ppg scorer, they aren't capable of carrying that load at KU.
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Dajuan is really good at what he does. But he isn't surrounded by the best pieces to maximize what he does. He's an elite role player, surround him with scoring playmakers works better than playing him with a slow center, an undersized forward who can't shoot, and an inexperienced 5th starter
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I (regrettably) actually thought last night could be a statement win for our team without KM. I hoped Kj and DH would step their scoring up to fill the giant gap KM leaves and I thought HD had a chance to show he can dominate a game as the clear 1st option. And then our role players could get some minutes and confidence.

None of that happened.
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I’m glad Dajuan is looking to score more

But does anyone else think he almost always looks awkward and off-balance and uncomfortable when scoring?

It’s like he’s trying to make a shot look way more difficult than it is, whether a layup or a floater.

Even a jumper, tho he can make them, tends to look flat and weird too
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If DH was more like Steph Curry he'd be in the NBA.

I don't think he's "trying to make shots look difficult" on purpose. Why on earth would he do that?
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ousdahl wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:48 am I’m glad Dajuan is looking to score more

But does anyone else think he almost always looks awkward and off-balance and uncomfortable when scoring?

It’s like he’s trying to make a shot look way more difficult than it is, whether a layup or a floater.

Even a jumper, tho he can make them, tends to look flat and weird too
In the paint he doesn't have the athleticism to get by people, so he often contorts his body to create angles to get his shots up
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DeletedUser wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:54 am I (regrettably) actually thought last night could be a statement win for our team without KM. I hoped Kj and DH would step their scoring up to fill the giant gap KM leaves and I thought HD had a chance to show he can dominate a game as the clear 1st option. And then our role players could get some minutes and confidence.

None of that happened.
Our role players weren't the problem. Timberlake had his best game at KU probably, until he threw one of the dumbest passes of the season and self yanked him

Elmarko came in and gave us good minutes

Furphy was our best starter

But when mccullar is out, and dajuan kj and hunter all have terrible games on the same night, were fucked
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If DH Kj and HD shoot like that we probably lose with KM too.

Agree, role players weren't the problem last night. They looked about like they always do.
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No. 6 Kansas Jayhawks (19-6, 7-5 Big 12) at No. 25 Oklahoma Sooners (18-7, 6-6)
Saturday, 4 p.m. ET, ESPN

At this point, the Big 12 title has become a fading dream for a Kansas squad that's lost five of its past six road games and still has three more (including at Baylor and Houston) on its conference slate. This is the same Kansas team that's hoping to secure a top seed in the NCAA tournament.

But all of this is secondary to the team's ongoing injury concerns. Kevin McCullar Jr. (19.5 PPG) has missed back-to-back games due to a knee injury and Dajuan Harris Jr. is playing through an ankle injury he suffered last weekend against Baylor.

Will Kansas limp into the NCAA tournament? Will the road woes continue in Norman? Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... onn-purdue
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KU is currently favored by 1 via sportsbooks.
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lotta work left, but i feel a bit better after today (particularly with KM still “off”)
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Is Iowa State for real?

They played 1 ranked team in non con and lost. All of their good wins are in conference. And mostly at home.

I am not a believer.
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They’re solid.
Think one of Huggs best WVU teams or the Texas Tech team that made the title game.
Right matchups and they could make noise.

I don’t think they have the offense to go all that deep but who knows. They beat us with little issue.
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