Charges

[ousdahl]

This is prob the most significant verdict.

But it’s not the only verdict, nor the first.

I kinda wonder if even a “guilty” might just sorta come and go like the others sorta have?

[jfish26]

This is prob the most significant verdict.

But it’s not the only verdict, nor the first.

I kinda wonder if even a “guilty” might just sorta come and go like the others sorta have?

Trump has a [x%] chance to win in November.

That means, thanks to (among other things) foreign influence, feeble prosecutors, activist judges and complicit media, there is a [x%] chance this will be the only verdict (at least that has a chance of being enforced).

I do not think this one will come and go (and I do not think it is really useful to compare this verdict to the conclusions of civil trials; this is something altogether different).

[pdub]

I put the odds that he is convicted of anything before election day at + 900.
We have a corrupt justice system.

[KUTradition]

if there isn’t a conviction here, there won’t be one for at least another 5 years (if at all) if he gets himself elected

the georgia rico case is a mess, and all the federal charges will be dropped

[jfish26]

I put the odds that he is convicted of anything before election day at + 900.
We have a corrupt justice system.

He could be convicted in this one today.

And here's what's frustrating - a non-conviction on this one would be the opposite of the corruption of the justice system. It would be the system working as we have designed it to work. Trump is entitled to the same protections, and should be held to the same standards, as any of us.

But this is where Democrats run into the issue of bringing a good-faith knife to a gunfight.

The problem is that the corruption that is evident in the handling of all of the other criminal cases gives this one outsized importance. This is almost certainly the only one that we can reasonably expect to even be heard prior to the election (meaning this is the only one that we can be SURE will ever reach verdict).

[Shirley]

Talk about "shiny things", I'm so fucking sick of Trump in general and his trial dominating the news cycle 24/7, I could puke. And as sad as it is to see CNN and MSNBC go all-in for it, it says more about the American mind set and attention span than it does about our "news" sources.

BTW, does anyone know if the Russians have completed their invasion and takeover of Ukraine? Because I haven't heard much about it lately.

I guess I feel differently - I think this verdict is a signal event.

Can ANY institution hold up against the Trump/MAGA sickness?

If he is found guilty, I think the wall falls and some of DC’s predictions might bear out.

If not, I think November becomes for all of the marbles (for most of our lifetimes, anyway).

I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just sick of Trump 24/7/365 x 8 ____ing years, and counting.
Breaking News! There are other things going on in the world other than Trump falling asleep in court today.

Not to mention what will ensue, if he skates.

[jfish26]

Talk about "shiny things", I'm so fucking sick of Trump in general and his trial dominating the news cycle 24/7, I could puke. And as sad as it is to see CNN and MSNBC go all-in for it, it says more about the American mind set and attention span than it does about our "news" sources.

BTW, does anyone know if the Russians have completed their invasion and takeover of Ukraine? Because I haven't heard much about it lately.

I guess I feel differently - I think this verdict is a signal event.

Can ANY institution hold up against the Trump/MAGA sickness?

If he is found guilty, I think the wall falls and some of DC’s predictions might bear out.

If not, I think November becomes for all of the marbles (for most of our lifetimes, anyway).

I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just sick of Trump 24/7/365 x 8 ____ing years, and counting.
Breaking News! There are other things going on in the world other than Trump falling asleep in court today.

Not to mention what will ensue, if he skates.

If you think MAGA's twisting of the Mueller report was bad...

[MICHHAWK]

i haven't been paying attention. if he is found guilty, he is guilty of what.

i asked 10 people at the mall. and not one could tell me.

[Shirley]

i haven't been paying attention. if he is found guilty, he is guilty of what.

i asked 10 people at the mall. and not one could tell me.

No you didn't.

[jfish26]

i haven't been paying attention. if he is found guilty, he is guilty of what.

i asked 10 people at the mall. and not one could tell me.

He would be found guilty of causing the falsification of business records in connection with one or more crimes.

[KUTradition]

i doubt mich’s mall-walking compadres to could tell him much more than where the orange julius is located

[Shirley]

I guess I feel differently - I think this verdict is a signal event.

Can ANY institution hold up against the Trump/MAGA sickness?

If he is found guilty, I think the wall falls and some of DC’s predictions might bear out.

If not, I think November becomes for all of the marbles (for most of our lifetimes, anyway).

I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just sick of Trump 24/7/365 x 8 ____ing years, and counting.
Breaking News! There are other things going on in the world other than Trump falling asleep in court today.

Not to mention what will ensue, if he skates.

If you think MAGA's twisting of the Mueller report was bad...

^^^ No shit.

And, in answer to Ousdahl's post: I kinda wonder if even a “guilty” might just sorta come and go like the others sorta have?

To at least ~ 46% of the American population, it won't mean anything other than Trump is persecuted by the "deep state", and they have to try harder, i.e., use violence along with voter suppression, etc., to remedy the situation before liberals take over completely. Facts mean nothing to his cult.

[Shirley]

i doubt mich’s mall-walking compadres to could tell him much more than where the orange julius is located

I would have said Cinnabon, but when it comes to malls, Orange Julius is the same thing, only different.

[MICHHAWK]

what's the worst thing he is being accused of in this case. paying off a hooker.

[jfish26]

I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just sick of Trump 24/7/365 x 8 ____ing years, and counting.
Breaking News! There are other things going on in the world other than Trump falling asleep in court today.

Not to mention what will ensue, if he skates.

If you think MAGA's twisting of the Mueller report was bad...

^^^ No shit.

And, in answer to Ousdahl's post: I kinda wonder if even a “guilty” might just sorta come and go like the others sorta have?

To at least ~ 46% of the American population, it won't mean anything other than Trump is persecuted by the "deep state", and they have to try harder, i.e., use violence along with voter suppression, etc., to remedy the situation before liberals take over completely. Facts mean nothing to his cult.

I still think a conviction here matters. And if you peel even 1% away from Trump, he's drawing deader than he is now (and he may already be drawing dead).

[jfish26]

what's the worst thing he is being accused of in this case. paying off a hooker.

Concealing the fact of the affair and the payment in order to get elected to the big chair.

[MICHHAWK]

seems like pretty piddly stuff.

[Shirley]

If you think MAGA's twisting of the Mueller report was bad...

^^^ No shit.

And, in answer to Ousdahl's post: I kinda wonder if even a “guilty” might just sorta come and go like the others sorta have?

To at least ~ 46% of the American population, it won't mean anything other than Trump is persecuted by the "deep state", and they have to try harder, i.e., use violence along with voter suppression, etc., to remedy the situation before liberals take over completely. Facts mean nothing to his cult.

I still think a conviction here matters. And if you peel even 1% away from Trump, he's drawing deader than he is now (and he may already be drawing dead).

I hope you're right, and I do agree that it matters to a few % of Americans. Not that i think he'll do even 1 day in jail if he is found guilty, or, that he and his cult will accept the results even if Biden beats him by 10 million votes in the popular election.



(I rode my bike 30 miles in 90, "feels like 100", degrees heat yesterday, so I'm sore and tired, and maybe that's why I'm so cynical and not my usual optimistic self...?)

[Shirley]

seems like pretty piddly stuff.

It's election tampering, dammit.

[jfish26]

seems like pretty piddly stuff.

I expected nothing different.