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i will trust that you and the other keyboard commanders will have it under control.

godspeed to you.
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MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:16 am i will trust that you and the other keyboard commanders will have it under control.

godspeed to you.
I think the point is that things are not under control.
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jhawks99 wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:21 am
MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:16 am i will trust that you and the other keyboard commanders will have it under control.

godspeed to you.
I think the point is that things are not under control.
I think you are correct, and yet, I also think the opposite is true too.
That things are too much in control, by people who I feel shouldn't be making the decisions that they are making.
So, where if anywhere do we go from here?
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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:58 am So, where if anywhere do we go from here?
presuming everything is going to be “ok” (not that you are) seems willfully ignorant

what recourse is there?

it seems the only one is the ballot box
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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KUTradition wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:02 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:58 am So, where if anywhere do we go from here?
presuming everything is going to be “ok” (not that you are) seems willfully ignorant

what recourse is there?

it seems the only one is the ballot box
Maybe. Hopefully? Hopefully not? My head spins a bit thinking about it.
Yes, helps make me want to vote for Biden more than Trump but I am just one moron. What will all the other morons in our country do?
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KUTradition wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:02 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:58 am So, where if anywhere do we go from here?
presuming everything is going to be “ok” (not that you are) seems willfully ignorant

what recourse is there?

it seems the only one is the ballot box
The ballot box, this fall.

It is amazing, to me, that people will simply not listen to what Trump and Project 2025 are TELLING YOU OUT LOUD they will do. And for which the path has been very graciously paved for him/them, and which path they will burn to the ground behind them to keep anyone from catching them from behind.

I am very concerned that we are so polarized that people will not take even the five minutes needed to understand just how dramatically the Court has moved our country toward unrestrained authoritarianism in just the last WEEK.

There now is no recourse at law in the case the President uses "core" powers to punish his enemies - including by imprisoning them, or worse - or enrich himself and his friends.

None.
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So, this Novembers election will be monitored by Right Wing goons, empowered and swooning with the pardon promise.

Tabulations NOT in their favor will likely be met with violence.

If indeed Trump loses, there is no way the Right will accept the result.

Trump gets back into power, one way or the other.

I said a year ago that the US probably had its’ last actual election in 2020.

I was made fun of.
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Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:15 pm So, this Novembers election will be monitored by Right Wing goons, empowered and swooning with the pardon promise.

Tabulations NOT in their favor will likely be met with violence.

If indeed Trump loses, there is no way the Right will accept the result.

Trump gets back into power, one way or the other.

I said a year ago that the US probably had its’ last actual election in 2020.

I was made fun of.
I think this one will be fair, so long as "real" margins are significant.

Failing that, and/or after that, all bets are off.
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AOC Looks to Impeach Supreme Court Justices After Trump Immunity Ruling. That’s Only Happened Once, in 1805

https://people.com/aoc-impeach-supreme- ... %20results.

Of the eight articles of impeachment served to Chase [\i](the only justice ever impeached), the final one claimed that he regularly promoted his political ideologies while serving on the Supreme Court, therefore "tending to prostitute the high judicial character with which he was invested, to the low purpose of an electioneering partizan," as per the Senate's website.
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Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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aoc is the biggest dingbat in Washington. and that is saying something.
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Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:15 pm
I was made fun of.
Yea, but that had nothing to do with pols bored prophecies, that was just cuz you…nm
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MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm aoc is the biggest dingbat in Washington. and that is saying something.
hold my beer…

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^^^^^

Talk to me if AOC ever has a sex move named after her
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Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:15 pm So, this Novembers election will be monitored by Right Wing goons, empowered and swooning with the pardon promise.

Tabulations NOT in their favor will likely be met with violence.

If indeed Trump loses, there is no way the Right will accept the result.

Trump gets back into power, one way or the other.

I said a year ago that the US probably had its’ last actual election in 2020.

I was made fun of.
you still leaving for a couple months in November? got room for 4 more? ha....I kid, but...not really. I fear it's gonna get ugly no matter what happens. I'm not looking forward to the next 2-15 years depending on how things shake out
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TDub wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:34 pm
Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:15 pm So, this Novembers election will be monitored by Right Wing goons, empowered and swooning with the pardon promise.

Tabulations NOT in their favor will likely be met with violence.

If indeed Trump loses, there is no way the Right will accept the result.

Trump gets back into power, one way or the other.

I said a year ago that the US probably had its’ last actual election in 2020.

I was made fun of.
you still leaving for a couple months in November? got room for 4 more? ha....I kid, but...not really. I fear it's gonna get ugly no matter what happens. I'm not looking forward to the next 2-15 years depending on how things shake out
Honestly thinking about it. Will Trump force an Executive Order that people who voted Dem can never re-enter the country?
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Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:46 pm
TDub wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:34 pm
Overlander wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:15 pm So, this Novembers election will be monitored by Right Wing goons, empowered and swooning with the pardon promise.

Tabulations NOT in their favor will likely be met with violence.

If indeed Trump loses, there is no way the Right will accept the result.

Trump gets back into power, one way or the other.

I said a year ago that the US probably had its’ last actual election in 2020.

I was made fun of.
you still leaving for a couple months in November? got room for 4 more? ha....I kid, but...not really. I fear it's gonna get ugly no matter what happens. I'm not looking forward to the next 2-15 years depending on how things shake out
Honestly thinking about it. Will Trump force an Executive Order that people who voted Dem can never re-enter the country?
there are innumerable concerns I have about how the essential King commandment will play out
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MICHHAWK wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:01 pm aoc is the biggest dingbat in Washington. and that is saying something.
I would say she is undoubtably ONE of the biggest dingbats. That's not really saying much.

P.S. After I made my post I see Trad provided 2 examples of "big" dingbats. There are more. Both female and male.

Back to the SCOTUS.

As I have been doing often lately, I typed in a word/subject/whatever in to the search on X/Twitter to see what is the first thing that pops up. Shockingly, today, this didn't have a "rightwing" bias.

Supreme Court resulted in this......

https://twitter.com/marlene4719/status/ ... 3664864340
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Question for anyone to answer.

I admit my ignorance. Supposedly Congress (and "the states"?) have SOME power over the Supreme Court.
I have read that "Congress" does NOT have the authority to "abolish" the Supreme Court but let's say the Supreme Court went especially nutso and made horrible decisions that would lead to the destruction of the country. What powers are in place to prevent it from happening?
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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:09 am Question for anyone to answer.

I admit my ignorance. Supposedly Congress (and "the states"?) have SOME power over the Supreme Court.
I have read that "Congress" does NOT have the authority to "abolish" the Supreme Court but let's say the Supreme Court went especially nutso and made horrible decisions that would lead to the destruction of the country. What powers are in place to prevent it from happening?
In general, the idea is that the legislative branch makes the law, the executive branch enforces the law and the judicial branch interprets the law.

So in theory, the judicial branch should fill in the gaps in laws passed by Congress.

That theory falls apart some when the judicial branch takes an expansive view of its role, including by overzealously (and I would say selectively) declaring some laws to be illegal in the womb (sorry).

No law that is not the Constitution trumps the Constitution.

And so if your question is specific to - can Congress legislate away from this week’s Supreme Court holding as to the President’s immunity under the Constitution as it sits…the answer is probably not. And it will be the Court that answers the question…so you tell me how you think that goes.

And so the short answer to that question is that fixing this problem - which is now the law of the land - almost certainly requires an amendment to the Constitution. Which, considering the approval threshold for those, seems highly unrealistic any time soon.
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