2024

[Shirley]

JD Vance looks like the love child from an affair between Al Borland from Tool Time and a racist care bear.

Racist? You are aware that his wife's family is from India? And that they have three mixed-race children together?

You mean the woman MAGA loons are making racist comments about? Because that is what is happening. There is none so blind Psych.
https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-wife-usha/

Vance's wife is a practicing Hindu.

You know the MAGAts have to love that.

From Sparko's link:

From Raw Story:

Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?" asked neo-Nazi podcaster and one-time Trump dinner guest Nick Fuentes recently.

"There is an obvious Indian coup taking place in the US right before our eyes," complained far-right podcaster Stew Peters.

"JD Vance gets tapped as VP and immediately there's a Hindu prayer at the RNC," said Vincent James Foxx, a Trump supporter who attended the "Stop the Steal" rally in January 6th, 2021. "Next we'll see Sen. Mike Lee and JD Vance team up to convince Trump to let in 10 million Indian immigrants. Green cards on diplomas!"

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Racist? You are aware that his wife's family is from India? And that they have three mixed-race children together?

You mean the woman MAGA loons are making racist comments about? Because that is what is happening. There is none so blind Psych.
https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-wife-usha/

He was saying that Vance was racist. I was refuting that. I can’t speak for everyone who might vote for Trump. Not sure how that makes me blind.

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

[JKLivin]

You mean the woman MAGA loons are making racist comments about? Because that is what is happening. There is none so blind Psych.
https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-wife-usha/

He was saying that Vance was racist. I was refuting that. I can’t speak for everyone who might vote for Trump. Not sure how that makes me blind.

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

So, what people group, specifically, is he racist against? Cuz, apparently, brown people in general and Indian people specifically are not a problem for him.

[Shirley]

stolen

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

He was saying that Vance was racist. I was refuting that. I can’t speak for everyone who might vote for Trump. Not sure how that makes me blind.

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

So, what people group, specifically, is he racist against? Cuz, apparently, brown people in general and Indian people specifically are not a problem for him.

I don't know, and take a moment to think about this - neither do you.
Yet, you chose to use the fact his wife's family is from India and he has "mixed race" kids to (I felt) - imply he's not racist because of it.
If true, then I will be harsh and say I feel that's extremely ignorant.
My cousin is Jewish. He married an Asian woman who's family was from Japan. To you does that translate to/means he's not or can't be racist towards, Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.? Thankfully he's not but I promise you there are people in this country that are racist towards specific groups and are not racist toward others.
P.S. I never said nor implied JD Vance is racist - and I have never said nor implied he isn't racist.

[Shirley]

He was saying that Vance was racist. I was refuting that. I can’t speak for everyone who might vote for Trump. Not sure how that makes me blind.

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

So, what people group, specifically, is he racist against? Cuz, apparently, brown people in general and Indian people specifically are not a problem for him.

Video link

[jfish26]

That.

Celebrating criminals.

Chanting “Fight! Fight! Fight!”

Signs calling for bending the knee to Russia.

This isn’t your Uncle MICH’s Republican Party.

[ousdahl]

I dunno if one can really reconcile the "no political violence" ideal with the "fight fight fight" that happened literally in the immediate aftermath of an assassination attempt, among a long list of other violent rhetoric

[jfish26]

You can’t reconcile ideals with reality generally.

That’s kinda the issue here.

You are - each of us is - faced with a choice of which candidate would at the very least have ideals that are somewhat directionally aligned with yours.

[ousdahl]

yea.

and as far as choice of which candidate goes, I still think I'm leaning toward Cornel West.

at lest somewhat.

[jfish26]

yea.

and as far as choice of which candidate goes, I still think I'm leaning toward Cornel West.

at lest somewhat.

You do you I guess. But if less than an AFH’s worth of people in a few states do this, then we all get the shit-and-cyanide sandwich.

That is why I take such an absolutist stance on the false equivalencies etc. The margins are SO thin, and the stakes SO high, that irresponsibly amplifying right wing-friendly talking points truly is contributing to the Putin-Trump ticket.

[ousdahl]

I know.

but, if we aren't allowed to vote for who we'd like to vote for, and whose ideals we feel are most directionally aligned with our own, then democracy is no longer democracy.

the margins are thin, indeed. But the better move to counter that is for a politician to build coalitions and actually appeal to a broader base of voters, rather than try for guilt trips and fear mongering.

also, heads up, I reported your post. I didn't say anything here even remotely related to Putin. For you to keep doing this, again, comes across as just trolling.

[jfish26]

You are feeling trolled by the mere reference to one of the two 2024 candidates being aligned with Putin?

[ousdahl]

No.

I am feeling trolled by me suggesting I’ll vote for a third party candidate, and you responding to it with yet another attempt to suggest I’m a Putin parrot.

[JKLivin]

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

So, what people group, specifically, is he racist against? Cuz, apparently, brown people in general and Indian people specifically are not a problem for him.

I don't know, and take a moment to think about this - neither do you.
Yet, you chose to use the fact his wife's family is from India and he has "mixed race" kids to (I felt) - imply he's not racist because of it.
If true, then I will be harsh and say I feel that's extremely ignorant.
My cousin is Jewish. He married an Asian woman who's family was from Japan. To you does that translate to/means he's not or can't be racist towards, Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.? Thankfully he's not but I promise you there are people in this country that are racist towards specific groups and are not racist toward others.
P.S. I never said nor implied JD Vance is racist - and I have never said nor implied he isn't racist.

Maybe I'm conflating racism and White supremacy. My thought was that, he has no qualms falling in love with and marrying a woman of color, hence, he has no issues with people of color. I suppose he could have a problem with specific groups, but I, like you, would ask for evidence of that. I've seen or heard nothing to that effect.

[JKLivin]

You were refuting he was racist by countering with but, but, but, his wife's family is from India - and I felt you were trying to imply that means he is not racist because of it.
If you think someone having an Indian wife excludes them from being (a) racist, never-mind.

So, what people group, specifically, is he racist against? Cuz, apparently, brown people in general and Indian people specifically are not a problem for him.

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Horseshit. Calling for enforcement of immigration law is not racism, no matter how much you would like it to be. You're smarter than that.

[jhawks99]

Racist? You are aware that his wife's family is from India? And that they have three mixed-race children together?

You mean the woman MAGA loons are making racist comments about? Because that is what is happening. There is none so blind Psych.
https://www.rawstory.com/jd-vance-wife-usha/

He was saying that Vance was racist. I was refuting that. I can’t speak for everyone who might vote for Trump. Not sure how that makes me blind.

https://www.facebook.com/brutamerica/vi ... 603594799/

Sounds pretty racist about the 1 minute mark. Why only concern yourself with white workers?
Of coarse, this was before trump got elected and vance flip flopped on what ever morals and values he claimed to have. Kissing the ring of the person he hated in order to advance his own political goals.

[ousdahl]

Wait, conflating racism and white supremacy…how is white supremacy NOT racist?

[JKLivin]

Wait, conflating racism and white supremacy…how is white supremacy NOT racist?

I would assume that White supremacy is a blanket proposition, while racism could (theoretically) be confined to one particular people group.