2024

[pdub]

I think globally, the Democrats are much more likely to end people's lives across the seas in preemptive missions/coordination or response based action.

The Republicans ( Trumps Republicans ) are less likely to do so because I think they'll just focus on their own interests and not GAF about anyone else.

Of course those own interests are focused on white straight Christian males - preferably those with significant wealth.

[ousdahl]

Umm, fish, that seems to be moving goalposts.

I didn’t know the discussion was with regard to degrees of culpability.

You’re the one who’s otherwise spoken in absolutes.

[ousdahl]

I think globally, the Democrats are much more likely to end people's lives across the seas in preemptive missions/coordination or response based action.

The Republicans ( Trumps Republicans ) are less likely to do so because I think they'll just focus on their own interests and not GAF about anyone else.

Of course those own interests are focused on white straight Christian males - preferably those with significant wealth.

I’m old enough to remember when the dems used to be the anti-war party, and pubs used to be the hawks.

At least in terms of lip service.

Cuz when it comes to how lawmakers actually vote, warmongering tends to be overwhelmingly bipartisan.

[jfish26]

Umm, fish, that seems to be moving goalposts.

I didn’t know the discussion was with regard to degrees of culpability.

You’re the one who’s otherwise spoken in absolutes.

Ous, the other thread has been about degrees of culpability the entire time. The whole deal here (as regarding you, not the subject matter) has been your rejection of that fact.

And what I have said - I am glad to go find an example, if you would like - is that, on the basis of the evidence available to us, the relative degrees of culpability in Russia/Ukraine are tipped SO far in Russia's direction so as to support a categorical view of Russia as the aggressor, and Ukraine as the victim.

The logic is, to stay on topic, similar here. In my opinion anyway.

I think that the right is tipped SO far in an antidemocratic direction so as to support a categorical view that it is the antidemocratic side, which means by negative inference that the left - which is flawed and corrupt and cynical - is, between the two, the pro-democracy side.

[MICHHAWK]

as far as i know. the U.S.A. is not actively in any war. as far as i know.

[pdub]

"Cuz when it comes to how lawmakers actually vote, warmongering tends to be overwhelmingly bipartisan."

At this point, I'm with you regarding Israel and Palestine - time to ease back on that one and get out of completely.
I've never been with you on our actions regarding Ukraine.
You're very lost when it comes to that topic.

Anyways, I think that's been enough poli-bored for me for a while - at least until some other crazy shit happens which, hell, could be within the week.

[jhawks99]

Sure. I aim to please. And since you’re partial to videos over text, I’ll even oblige you in that regard: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHjXf0y-VRw

I had to take an entry level AI coarse for my job recently. This sounds very much like chapter 1.

Spin it however you like. Giggles is an imbecile.

"Person, woman, man, camera, TV." And Ms. Harris is the imbecile?

[jfish26]

I think globally, the Democrats are much more likely to end people's lives across the seas in preemptive missions/coordination or response based action.

The Republicans ( Trumps Republicans ) are less likely to do so because I think they'll just focus on their own interests and not GAF about anyone else.

Of course those own interests are focused on white straight Christian males - preferably those with significant wealth.

I think that is broadly right - and what's relevant but not quite said out loud in the last part is that economic and political isolationism will have disastrous consequences, but those with significant wealth - not seven or even eight figures of wealth, but beyond - are not just shielded from, but will be able to improve their own positions as a result of, those consequences.

[jfish26]

as far as i know. the U.S.A. is not actively in any war. as far as i know.

Well, the Rs are fond of saying we're under invasion every day.

[Shirley]

One minute I think Joe is coming to his senses and going to do the right thing and bow out no later than this weekend, and then I see a new announcement that Biden is looking forward to getting back out on the campaign trail "next week".

So, I go to ActBlue and PayPal to cancel my monthly donation to the Biden/Harris campaign to send a message, and I guess because of the Crowd Strike IT screw up, I can't log in to my PayPal account.

Thanks, Obama.

[MICHHAWK]

you have a monthly donation to the biden-harris campaign?

[jfish26]

One minute I think Joe is coming to his senses and going to do the right thing and bow out no later than this weekend, and then I see a new announcement that Biden is looking forward to getting back out on the campaign trail "next week".

So, I go to ActBlue and PayPal to cancel my monthly donation to the Biden/Harris campaign to send a message, and I guess because of the Crowd Strike IT screw up, I can't log in to my PayPal account.

Thanks, Obama.

I mean, getting back out on whose campaign trail.

[Shirley]

you have a monthly donation to the biden-harris campaign?

Of course. I believe in putting my $ where my mouth is.

I also have recurring writer's cramp from all of the post cards I've filled out and addressed in support of local school board, hospital board, city & state government, and US House candidates I support.

Showing up is 80% of life.

Edited to add:

Just saw on MSNBC that VP Harris is to hold a call with Dem Donors at 3pm eastern.

So, don't any of you call me in the next few.

mkay?



my heart's racing!

[Shirley]

Did everyone else send Demo Senator Jon Tester a donation after he called on Biden to withdraw, too?

The way anyone who doesn't back Biden gets brutalized on twitter by other Demos makes it seem necessary.

[Sparko]

I had to take an entry level AI coarse for my job recently. This sounds very much like chapter 1.

Spin it however you like. Giggles is an imbecile.

"Person, woman, man, camera, TV." And Ms. Harris is the imbecile?

To a racist every person of color needs a hammer.

[ousdahl]

Umm, fish, that seems to be moving goalposts.

I didn’t know the discussion was with regard to degrees of culpability.

You’re the one who’s otherwise spoken in absolutes.

Ous, the other thread has been about degrees of culpability the entire time. The whole deal here (as regarding you, not the subject matter) has been your rejection of that fact.

Wait.

Serious question:

Are you fucking with me?!

Dude, I might be the ONLY one who HAS suggested degrees of culpability. Remember how much shit I got for saying things like, “the truth is in the middle?” Or things like, “maybe the U.S. should consider how our own actions and policies have affected the sitch?”

You have ridiculed me relentlessly for it! And in favor of these “unprovoked, unilateral” sorts of talking points that, if they are NOT entirely at odds with “degrees of cuplability,” please clarify why, cuz I don’t wanna mischaracterize.

And what I have said - I am glad to go find an example, if you would like - is that, on the basis of the evidence available to us, the relative degrees of culpability in Russia/Ukraine are tipped SO far in Russia's direction so as to support a categorical view of Russia as the aggressor, and Ukraine as the victim.

Please do go find an example! Feel free to post it in more relevant threads. And bonus points if it’s something more substantive than shameless good guy bad guy rhetoric. I’d gladly consider whatever example you might find.

(That’s at odds with your stubborn refusal to even consider all the evidence I’ve provided that, while yea Russia def is overwhelmingly to blame, there’s still plenty of blame to go around)

The logic is, to stay on topic, similar here. In my opinion anyway.

I think that the right is tipped SO far in an antidemocratic direction so as to support a categorical view that it is the antidemocratic side, which means by negative inference that the left - which is flawed and corrupt and cynical - is, between the two, the pro-democracy side.

Sure?

But my issue is, as the right perps all this antidemocratic shit, “the left” doesn’t effectively counter in any way, but rather mostly just eventually capitulates to the right anyway.

I’m afraid both sides of American politics are kinda just different characters in the same kabuki theater performance

[ousdahl]

"Cuz when it comes to how lawmakers actually vote, warmongering tends to be overwhelmingly bipartisan."

At this point, I'm with you regarding Israel and Palestine - time to ease back on that one and get out of completely.
I've never been with you on our actions regarding Ukraine.
You're very lost when it comes to that topic.

Anyways, I think that's been enough poli-bored for me for a while - at least until some other crazy shit happens which, hell, could be within the week.

I was gonna try and offer some commentary toward you discussion points, which are good.

but knowing how wildly popular my commentary tends to be around here, let me instead just say…hey man it’s been nice having you on the pols bored for a spell.

[jfish26]

And what I have said - I am glad to go find an example, if you would like - is that, on the basis of the evidence available to us, the relative degrees of culpability in Russia/Ukraine are tipped SO far in Russia's direction so as to support a categorical view of Russia as the aggressor, and Ukraine as the victim.

Please do go find an example! Feel free to post it in more relevant threads. And bonus points if it’s something more substantive than shameless good guy bad guy rhetoric. I’d gladly consider whatever example you might find.

(That’s at odds with your stubborn refusal to even consider all the evidence I’ve provided that, while yea Russia def is overwhelmingly to blame, there’s still plenty of blame to go around)

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[twocoach]

as far as i know. the U.S.A. is not actively in any war. as far as i know.

Besides the alleged "war against a white Christian's way of life" of course...

[JKLivin]

I had to take an entry level AI coarse for my job recently. This sounds very much like chapter 1.

Spin it however you like. Giggles is an imbecile.

I don't need my President to know everything about everything. I need them to hire competent people to do work on important things. The Biden administration's track record of hiring is light years ahead of Trump's.

And the outcome was a shit economy and getting pushed around by China. Great job, Brandon!