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I've been thinking, since last night, about Michelle's lines that:
Harris "understands that most of us will never be afforded the grace of failing forward. We will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational wealth. If we bankrupt a business or choke in a crisis, we don’t get a second, third or fourth chance. If things don’t go our way, we don’t have the luxury of whining or cheating others to get further ahead. No. We don’t get to change the rules so we always win. If we see a mountain in front of us, we don’t expect there to be an escalator waiting to take us to the top. We put our heads down. We get to work.”
In my opinion, this is as singularly brilliant a passage in a major speech as I've ever heard.

It illustrates, succinctly and intuitively and - most importantly - universally, what the wealth gap in America MEANS. And it invokes race without being about race.

You will very often hear people who look like me say things like, "I don't care if someone is black or white or brown or purple or green." Those same people will tell you that affirmative action is something like reverse racism.

What I hear in these words - and I am biased, because I feel that this is representative of my own personal experience - is that race is secondary to what privilege really means, which is that our respective starting lines are SO far apart, and the shoes we wear SO different, and the surface in the first ten meters of each of our sprints SO inconsistent, that crowning a champion by place of finish or even top speed achieved is simply incoherent.

And THIS is the message that so many Trump voters - the ones for whom the Rs' policies are actively damaging - need to hear. Only one of the parties even believes in principle that people should have the opportunity to make their kids' starting line more favorable than their own.

What is the American Dream, if not that?
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Preach it! They didn't teach me about redlining and generational wealth in school when I was growing up. And now, if you are stuck in a shitty school, well, you are stuck in a shitty school. Because it is local taxes that pay for schools. Zip code matters.
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Gutter, any DNC swag is infinitely more interesting to me than any of your sports swag or kicks. Let's see what you are hauling in, picking up off the sidewalk, dumpster diving.
And thanks for your reporting.
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DrPepper wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:11 am Preach it! They didn't teach me about redlining and generational wealth in school when I was growing up. And now, if you are stuck in a shitty school, well, you are stuck in a shitty school. Because it is local taxes that pay for schools. Zip code matters.
And, MOST critically, progressivism does NOT mean everyone gets the same outcome. It means everyone gets something generally like comparable baseline opportunities. What you DO with those opportunities is what determines your outcome, is the goal.

We have had this discussion, unfortunately too-heatedly (for which I bear a lot of the blame), in other contexts.

The goal is not to eliminate advantages and pursue homogeneity; that would be inconsistent with capitalism, which I do think is the best way to go about things. The goal however is to put people in a position to pursue and GET advantages, for themselves and their families, through skill and work and determination.

And it is simply reality that we all start in VERY different places, vis a vis those advantages.
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Exactly. The shallow are very quick to think it is communism (ie, outcomes).
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Michelle was pitch perfect. I agree with Fish's extract too. I literally gasped in joy with that passage. Wished I had written it.
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DrPepper wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:14 am Gutter, any DNC swag is infinitely more interesting to me than any of your sports swag or kicks. Let's see what you are hauling in, picking up off the sidewalk, dumpster diving.
And thanks for your reporting.
Nothing substantial that I have been involved in to report.
Being too open and transparent in my saying, I am disappointed I am not more involved, but I have to pick and choose what I should and shouldn't say in that regard.
I will be involved in/with the party tomorrow night.

Yesterday was interesting when shit went down at the Israeli Consulate. Could have been a lot worse. Nice that the Cops actually got considerably physical with the assholes who were being excessive and quickly established who is/was in control.
It was unnerving to me hearing about it - being that my cousin spoke at back to back Israeli/Jewish receptions/events yesterday.

Been kind of fun seeing some "political people" out and about but I have been forced to work in the office most of the day. I'm actually going to go take a walk in about 15 minutes and walk by the dinning establishments in the area.

I have spoken with a lot of Secret Service (the ones who are HARDLY "secret" being that they are wearing gear that specifically says SECRET SERVICE on it) and Capitol Police in the past few days and it's been amazing (to me) how open/honest/and down right friendly and nice they have been. I'm going to be sad when they leave.

I don't have photos of what was inside the swag bags I was distributing but I think I posted a pic of the bags on Monday.
I am sure I will see/get a bunch of shit when the convention is over.
I know they are giving away shit at the party.

P.S. No sidewalk pick ups or dumpster diving (thanks for the suggestion/s?) but I'll see if I can get you a cup/glass with Nancy Pelosi's lipstick on it late tomorrow night/early Friday morning. :? ;)
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Right on cue!
Just meet with my favorite Governor.
Now being tasked with some “fun” things.
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Just saw our VP.
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Rode up the elevator with “The Reverend”.
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Leo was so good in that.
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Tonight's speakers include Tim Walz formally accepting the nomination for VP, former President Bill Clinton, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, and Governors Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Wes Moore of Maryland. Since a full schedule has not been released, there may be additional speakers. Nothing will be able to top what the Obamas did last night but I will be tuning in for sure.
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Left the Peninsula with JB. He stopped to greet a couple of people.

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Getting ready for Kamala. I think. It was either her or Billy C.

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Here comes... I am assuming Kamala or Billy C. I have video of what I assumed was her/his motorcade. If I can figure out how to post it I will.

Edit - Here’s the video

https://rgutter1029.smugmug.com/Kam-Bill/i-HrfcVnX


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The Rev entering the Four Seasons.

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Us getting off the elevator. Lulz!

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Going through the lobby and in the lobby.

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Gutter wrote: Fri Nov 8th 2:16pm
New President - New Gutter. I am going to pledge my allegiance to Donald J. Trump and for the next 4 years I am going to be an even bigger asshole than I already am.
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tonight:

Amanda Gorman to Read New Poem at DNC, Reveals Otherworldly Inspiration

The youngest inaugural poet in history tells Vanity Fair about crafting her new poem, “This Sacred Scene,” for the Democratic National Convention.
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:12 pm tonight:

Amanda Gorman to Read New Poem at DNC, Reveals Otherworldly Inspiration

The youngest inaugural poet in history tells Vanity Fair about crafting her new poem, “This Sacred Scene,” for the Democratic National Convention.
I love Amanda Gorman, she’ll be a big hit at the DNC.

Seems as though “hope” is making a comeback at the convention. If people want progress they are going to have to do more than “hope”. As Obama said last night, “DO SOMETHING!”
Originally Imzcount (Why do politicians think “hope” is a plan ?)
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
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dolomite wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:21 pm
KUTradition wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:12 pm tonight:

Amanda Gorman to Read New Poem at DNC, Reveals Otherworldly Inspiration

The youngest inaugural poet in history tells Vanity Fair about crafting her new poem, “This Sacred Scene,” for the Democratic National Convention.
I love Amanda Gorman, she’ll be a big hit at the DNC.

Seems as though “hope” is making a comeback at the convention. If people want progress they are going to have to do more than “hope”. As Obama said last night, “DO SOMETHING!”
I think this is a reasonable interpretation of Barack's speech:
By contrast, and all dick jokes aside, her husband was almost...pensive. All week there had been references to his breakthrough speech to the DNC in Boston twenty years earlier. My own feelings on that speech are well-known. I thought it radically underestimated the forces of reaction that already existed to the point of near-banality, and I believe that perception has been validated over the past two decades. This is the third time in a row that the Republican party has nominated for president a vulgar talking yam. I’d say there probably are red states and blue states and that, despite all the Little League coaches and churchgoing citizens, there is an unappeasable vengeance in the land and that it finally found its voice. And that the warning of John Dos Passos had already come true—all right, we are two nations.

At the end of his speech, the former president delivered something like a plea. For all his life, the late John Lewis talked about “building the beloved community.” He never said it had been achieved. For that matter, he never guaranteed that it would be, only that the struggle to build it was how the country would move forward. “I may not get there with you,” Dr. King told an audience in Memphis the night before he was murdered. There is nothing certain but the next steps. Twenty years ago, Barack Obama said with great confidence that the country he described was out there, whole and united, just waiting for people of goodwill to scrape off all the foul encrustations of modern politics. On Tuesday night, he declared, with hard-won wisdom, that it’s going to take more than that.
That’s the America Kamala Harris and Tim Walz believe in: an America where “we, the people” includes everyone. Because that’s the only way this American experiment works. And despite what our politics might suggest, I think most Americans understand that. Democracy isn’t just a bunch of abstract principles and dusty laws in some book somewhere. It’s the values we live by. It’s the way we treat each other, including those who don’t look like us or pray like us or see the world exactly like we do.

That sense of mutual respect has to be part of our message. Our politics have become so polarized these days that all of us across the political spectrum seem so quick to assume the worst in others unless they agree with us on every single issue. We start thinking that the only way to win is to scold and shame and out-yell the other side. And after a while, regular folks just tune out, or they don’t bother to vote.
For the first time since we came to know him, Barack Obama, to paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, no longer refuses to see things as they are and says why. He knows the why. He’s felt the why. He and his formidable partner in life see a political movement that needs to be crushed, utterly, until its powers of mass delusion are merely a dark memory. Michelle Obama brought the sword. Barack Obama brought the shield. And he still sees things that never were and says, “Why not?” Which makes him who he is and always will be.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... nc-speech/
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Just gave a geaux Tigers to James Carville. Looked miserable. Not sure who pissed in his Cherrios.

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Thanks, Fish. Gutter.
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Carville always looks miserable
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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RFK Jr looking for employment in Trump administration.
Originally Imzcount (Why do politicians think “hope” is a plan ?)
“Avoid the foolish notion of hope. Hope is the surrender of authority to your fate and trusting it to the whims of the wind”.
Taylor Sheridan
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