2024

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Muted mics. Helps who/m?

[pdub]

Um, for starters, let's get that shit on your primary website:

https://kamalaharris.com/meet-kamala-harris/

There we are.
Thank you.
Regardless if she can get this done, as long as it's her platform, I am interested.

https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"This includes rolling back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, enacting a billionaire minimum tax, quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks, and other reforms to ensure the very wealthy are playing by the same rules as the middle class. Under her plan, the tax rate on long-term capital gains for those earning a million dollars a year or more will be 28 percent, because when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth and creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger."

"As Vice President, she also announced that medical debt will be removed from credit reports, and helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million Americans. As President, she’ll work with states to cancel medical debt for even more Americans."

"She’ll fight to ensure that no former president has immunity for crimes committed while in the White House. She will also support common-sense Supreme Court reforms—like requiring Justices to comply with ethics rules that other federal judges are bound by and imposing term limits—to address the crisis of confidence facing the Supreme Court."

"She’ll ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, require universal background checks, and support red flag laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people."

I'm 95% of the way there...now just don't completely fuck up the debate tonight and i'm in.

Making him seem morally small and sweatily feckless on substance, with an occasional guided missile attack on particular personal vulnerabilities, is the play.

If the moderators (or Harris) just stay with a policy question until Trump actually answers, it will become apparent that he has no answers at all.

Just hate-bait slogans and (false) stories that go nowhere.

I know this will do nothing to sway Trump voters but for people like me and others that are even further on the "will I vote for Harris or write in/not vote" I think, very early, Harris taking a tech forward approach to Trump's lies vs her truths would be masterful.

Either produce a simple URL, debate.truth or something, or reference another current site that does this ( fact checks ) and do that early - "Donald Trump has told lies and false truths before, during and after his candidacy. It's important that the American people realize this and that's why we are urging the public to head to [ url ] after these debates to see the facts, because we cannot move forward with a Commander in Chief built on lies."

Even the olds have cell phones - they can head to the site ( even during the debate ) and watch the bullshit get called out.

[pdub]

Muted mics. Helps who/m?

Without question Kamala.
Trump DGAF about civility and would be perfectly content to just ruin the whole deal by being loud.

[KUTradition]

There we are.
Thank you.
Regardless if she can get this done, as long as it's her platform, I am interested.

https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"This includes rolling back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, enacting a billionaire minimum tax, quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks, and other reforms to ensure the very wealthy are playing by the same rules as the middle class. Under her plan, the tax rate on long-term capital gains for those earning a million dollars a year or more will be 28 percent, because when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth and creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger."

"As Vice President, she also announced that medical debt will be removed from credit reports, and helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million Americans. As President, she’ll work with states to cancel medical debt for even more Americans."

"She’ll fight to ensure that no former president has immunity for crimes committed while in the White House. She will also support common-sense Supreme Court reforms—like requiring Justices to comply with ethics rules that other federal judges are bound by and imposing term limits—to address the crisis of confidence facing the Supreme Court."

"She’ll ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, require universal background checks, and support red flag laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people."

I'm 95% of the way there...now just don't completely fuck up the debate tonight and i'm in.

Making him seem morally small and sweatily feckless on substance, with an occasional guided missile attack on particular personal vulnerabilities, is the play.

If the moderators (or Harris) just stay with a policy question until Trump actually answers, it will become apparent that he has no answers at all.

Just hate-bait slogans and (false) stories that go nowhere.

I know this will do nothing to sway Trump voters but for people like me and others that are even further on the "will I vote for Harris or write in/not vote" I think, very early, Harris taking a tech forward approach to Trump's lies vs her truths would be masterful.

Either produce a simple URL, debate.truth or something, or reference another current site that does this ( fact checks ) and do that early - "Donald Trump has told lies and false truths before, during and after his candidacy. It's important that the American people realize this and that's why we are urging the public to head to [ url ] after these debates to see the facts, because we cannot move forward with a Commander in Chief built on lies."

Even the olds have cell phones - they can head to the site ( even during the debate ) and watch the bullshit get called out.

phenomenal idea

[twocoach]

Muted mics. Helps who/m?

Without question Kamala.
Trump DGAF about civility and would be perfectly content to just ruin the whole deal by being loud.

Trump can't argue policy so he is just going to fling poop.

Abortion: he keeps flip flopping
Border: Killed bipartisan border deal
Crime: He’s a convicted criminal
Defense: He was MIA on January 6
Economy: Lost 2.7 millions jobs
Family Values: Hush money to porn star
Debt: Added $7-8 trillion in debt

[japhy]

But in Colorado they've taken over. I mean in Colorado they are so brazen. They've taken over sections of the state and getting them out will be a bloody story.

If any of that were even remotely true he wouldn't be down 15 points in Colorado.

Currently the population of the Empire is doubled in size as 2,000 people from Guatemala are in town helping with the potato harvest. Without them, there are no potatoes in the grocery stores. The annual harvest dinner is coming up where the town serves dinner to the migrant workers as thanks for their help.

[KUTradition]

i’m guessing that the Harris camp was pushing for a hot mic due to the reasonable chance that trump would get caught in a misogynist or racist retort

[japhy]

Muted mics. Helps who/m?

Without question Kamala.
Trump DGAF about civility and would be perfectly content to just ruin the whole deal by being loud.

Or trumpty talks over her on the side and she hears his BS but no one out there watching on TV gets a hint of what an ass he is making of himself in the background.

This can go both ways.

[jfish26]

There we are.
Thank you.
Regardless if she can get this done, as long as it's her platform, I am interested.

https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

"This includes rolling back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, enacting a billionaire minimum tax, quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks, and other reforms to ensure the very wealthy are playing by the same rules as the middle class. Under her plan, the tax rate on long-term capital gains for those earning a million dollars a year or more will be 28 percent, because when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth and creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger."

"As Vice President, she also announced that medical debt will be removed from credit reports, and helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million Americans. As President, she’ll work with states to cancel medical debt for even more Americans."

"She’ll fight to ensure that no former president has immunity for crimes committed while in the White House. She will also support common-sense Supreme Court reforms—like requiring Justices to comply with ethics rules that other federal judges are bound by and imposing term limits—to address the crisis of confidence facing the Supreme Court."

"She’ll ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, require universal background checks, and support red flag laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people."

I'm 95% of the way there...now just don't completely fuck up the debate tonight and i'm in.

Making him seem morally small and sweatily feckless on substance, with an occasional guided missile attack on particular personal vulnerabilities, is the play.

If the moderators (or Harris) just stay with a policy question until Trump actually answers, it will become apparent that he has no answers at all.

Just hate-bait slogans and (false) stories that go nowhere.

I know this will do nothing to sway Trump voters but for people like me and others that are even further on the "will I vote for Harris or write in/not vote" I think, very early, Harris taking a tech forward approach to Trump's lies vs her truths would be masterful.

Either produce a simple URL, debate.truth or something, or reference another current site that does this ( fact checks ) and do that early - "Donald Trump has told lies and false truths before, during and after his candidacy. It's important that the American people realize this and that's why we are urging the public to head to [ url ] after these debates to see the facts, because we cannot move forward with a Commander in Chief built on lies."

Even the olds have cell phones - they can head to the site ( even during the debate ) and watch the bullshit get called out.

Wouldn’t at all be surprised to see it. And drives engagement while avoiding getting bogged down.

[jfish26]

September 9, 2024

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ber-9-2024

Last night, Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign launched a new section of its website detailing her policy positions. Titling her plans “A New Way Forward,” Harris vows to build the American middle class through an “opportunity economy.” Her vision for the future, she says, “protects our fundamental freedoms, strengthens our democracy, and ensures every person has the opportunity to not just get by, but to get ahead.”

Harris’s economic plan builds on that of the Biden-Harris administration. This makes sense, since their focus on investing in the middle class has created the strongest economy in the world. Harris is emphasizing the need to bring down household costs of food, medicine, housing, healthcare, and childcare, all issues important to Americans.

The website provides concrete economic actions she plans to take with a willing Congress. They include expanding the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit, investing in more housing, and supporting the PRO Act, which protects the rights of workers to unionize, while continuing the crackdown on business consolidation that kills competition and rolling back the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.

The biggest economic shift from the current administration is pegging a new capital gains tax for those earning more than a million dollars a year at 28%, significantly lower than the 39.6% President Joe Biden proposed in his 2025 budget. The plans also call for the first-ever national ban on corporate price gouging on food and groceries (37 states already have such laws).

Aside from strictly economic plans, the policy pages say Harris backs passing the bipartisan immigration bill that Republicans killed on Trump’s orders, protecting reproductive healthcare and restoring Roe v. Wade, and protecting the right to vote and ending partisan gerrymandering through the John Lewis Voting Rights and the Freedom to Vote Acts.

Republicans have charged that Harris has not offered specifics for her policies, but much of what is now clearly laid out is already in the public record. By the standards of American history, it is a strikingly moderate agenda that reflects the belief that the best way for the government to protect opportunity and nurture the economy is to make sure that the system is fair and that ordinary people have access to opportunity.

The “New Way Forward” in Harris’s plan seems to be less a new set of policies than a rejection of the politics of the past several decades. She and her running mate Minnesota governor Tim Walz appear to be attempting to reshape the political landscape to bring Americans of all parties together to stand against Trump’s MAGA Republicans. The campaign has actively reached out to Republicans, several of whom spoke at the Democratic National Convention. On Saturday, Harris said she was “honored” to have the endorsement of former representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) and former vice president Dick Cheney, both staunch Republicans. “People are exhausted about the division and the attempt to divide us as Americans,” she said. “We love our country and we have more in common than what separates us.”

Trump’s website offers slogans rather than policies, so Harris’s website compares her policies to the comparable sections of Project 2025, the playbook for a second Trump term laid out by a number of right-wing institutions led by the Heritage Foundation. Trump and his campaign have tried to distance themselves from Project 2025, but at his rallies, he has offered the policies in it—like firing nonpartisan civil servants and replacing them with loyalists, and abolishing the Department of Education—as his top priorities.

While Harris focused on policy, as critics have demanded, MAGA Republicans today spread slurs about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, claiming they are eating other people’s pets and local wildlife. Right-wing media figure Benny Johnson, who was one of the six commenters whose paychecks at now-disbanded Tenet Media were paid by Russia, was one of those pushing the false stories. So was X owner Elon Musk.

The story was debunked almost immediately by the Springfield police, but Republican politicians ran with it. The X account for Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee ran it; so did Texas senator Ted Cruz, who shared an image with two kittens saying: “PLEASE VOTE FOR TRUMP SO IMMIGRANTS DON’T EAT US.” And the Republican vice presidential nominee, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, posted: “Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country.” (The Haitians in Springfield are in the U.S. legally.)

[...]

Trump has demanded that a continuing resolution to fund the government must include a measure requiring proof of citizenship to vote. Since it is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in elections for president or members of Congress and there is no evidence it is anything but vanishingly rare, the measure actually seems designed to suppress voting. House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) went along and put the measure in the bill. He also designed for the measure to last until next March, making the budget so late a new president could write it, but also blowing through a January 1 deadline set in the June 2023 bill to require automatic cuts to spending.

House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) wrote to his colleagues: “House Democrats have made it clear that we will find bipartisan common ground on any issue with our Republican colleagues wherever possible, while pushing back against MAGA extremism.” Jeffries called the Republican bill “unserious and unacceptable.”

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told House and Senate leaders that the cuts required by law if Congress pushes the budget into March would drastically affect the military. “The repercussions of Congress failing to pass regular appropriations legislation for the first half of [fiscal] 2025 would be devastating to our readiness and ability to execute the National Defense Strategy,” Austin wrote.

Meanwhile, Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) is back to his old trick of blocking a military promotion, this time of Lieutenant General Ronald Clark, one of Austin’s top aides. Tuberville says he placed the hold because he has concerns that Clark did not alert Biden when Austin had surgery. Biden has nominated Clark to become the Commanding General of the U.S. Army Pacific, a position currently held by General Charles A. Flynn, younger brother of Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, Trump’s first National Security Advisor who resigned after news broke that he had hidden conversations with Russian operatives.

Today, ten retired senior military officials endorsed Harris, saying she “is the best—and only—presidential candidate in this race who is fit to serve as our commander-in-chief…. Frankly stated, Donald Trump is a danger to our national security and our democracy. His own former National Security Advisors, Defense Secretaries, and Chiefs of Staff have said so.”

[Shirley]

But in Colorado they've taken over. I mean in Colorado they are so brazen. They've taken over sections of the state and getting them out will be a bloody story.

If any of that were even remotely true he wouldn't be down 15 points in Colorado.

Currently the population of the Empire is doubled in size as 2,000 people from Guatemala are in town helping with the potato harvest. Without them, there are no potatoes in the grocery stores. The annual harvest dinner is coming up where the town serves dinner to the migrant workers as thanks for their help.

I trust you've had all of them fill out absentee mail-in ballots for Harris while they're passing through?

[Back2Lawrence]

If any of that were even remotely true he wouldn't be down 15 points in Colorado.

Currently the population of the Empire is doubled in size as 2,000 people from Guatemala are in town helping with the potato harvest. Without them, there are no potatoes in the grocery stores. The annual harvest dinner is coming up where the town serves dinner to the migrant workers as thanks for their help.

I trust you've had all of them fill out absentee mail-in ballots for Harris while they're passing through?

Not sure where to put this, but I know I’m going t9 hell for laughing at it. (It’s not really funny, but it definitely has comedic merit).

https://x.com/papitrumpo/status/183295 ... RfWzS_dfrA

[Shirley]

Muted mics. Helps who/m?

Without question Kamala.
Trump DGAF about civility and would be perfectly content to just ruin the whole deal by being loud.

Or trumpty talks over her on the side and she hears his BS but no one out there watching on TV gets a hint of what an ass he is making of himself in the background.

This can go both ways.

i’m guessing that the Harris camp was pushing for a hot mic due to the reasonable chance that trump would get caught in a misogynist or racist retort

^^^

The more of Trump people see, the less they like him. So IMO, I think this is better for Trump, because we know he's going to talk and comment and try to interrupt whether he's mic'ed or not, so let's get it all out there for people to hear. Kamala is going to be able to hear him anyway, so it's not like it changes things for her I wouldn't think. As I recall, even tho they weren't mic'ed for Biden's debate, you could still hear what Trump was saying.

[jfish26]

I think it’s important that the director keeps Trump’s face on screen when Harris is talking. That probably has the effect you’d want of keeping the mic live, without bogging things down.

[pdub]

The info on her site is ideal for presenting her general thoughts/plans of actions on the larger issues.
I'd ideally like some more detail for those searching for it but overall, A- job.

[Back2Lawrence]

The more of Trump people see, the less they like him.

I wish I believed this to be true.

[Shirley]

I think it’s important that the director keeps Trump’s face on screen when Harris is talking. That probably has the effect you’d want of keeping the mic live, without bogging things down.

Hot mics would be a double-edged sword, especially if we have any hope of hearing Harris discuss quaint concepts like her plans, and policies.

[pdub]

Without question Kamala.
Trump DGAF about civility and would be perfectly content to just ruin the whole deal by being loud.

Or trumpty talks over her on the side and she hears his BS but no one out there watching on TV gets a hint of what an ass he is making of himself in the background.

This can go both ways.

i’m guessing that the Harris camp was pushing for a hot mic due to the reasonable chance that trump would get caught in a misogynist or racist retort

^^^

The more of Trump people see, the less they like him. So IMO, I think this is better for Trump, because we know he's going to talk and comment and try to interrupt whether he's mic'ed or not, so let's get it all out there for people to hear. Kamala is going to be able to hear him anyway, so it's not like it changes things for her I wouldn't think. As I recall, even tho they weren't mic'ed for Biden's debate, you could still hear what Trump was saying.

I want an actual debate not Trump yelling and interrupting his opponent.
It's possible doing so would backfire but it certainly didn't in Hillary v Trump.

[twocoach]

The more of Trump people see, the less they like him.

I wish I believed this to be true.

Agreed. It's pretty insane the level of "I don't have to want to have dinner with the guy if he gets what policy I want passed done" coping there is out there. They write off criminal, immoral, anti-American behavior as nothing more than a little personality quirk so they have the best chance to have legislation passed that supports what they want, even if much of it isn't even in their best interests. They are true "useful idiots".

[Shirley]

The more of Trump people see, the less they like him.

I wish I believed this to be true.

That's according to Sarah Longwell, Executive Director of “Republican Voters Against Trump”. She conducts focus groups constantly and has drawn that conclusion. She starts ~ 2:20 in.

She makes another good point at ~ 9:00 minutes in.

The more voters see of Trump, the less they like him’