OFFICIAL DEBATE DRINKING THREAD

[Overlander]

A lot of us are worried about what kind of bullshit might occur in the next month or so tho however. In the democrats last ditch effort to retain power. I mean we all remember how 2020 went down

Two minutes before you posted that you posted this... "We all know trump/vance are going to win".
So if "we all" know Trump/Vance are going to win, what are "a lot of us" worried about?

Trump and Vance winning?

[defixione]

Kamala being selected for the Democrat ticket.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

A lot of us are worried about what kind of bullshit might occur in the next month or so tho however. In the democrats last ditch effort to retain power. I mean we all remember how 2020 went down

Two minutes before you posted that you posted this... "We all know trump/vance are going to win".
So if "we all" know Trump/Vance are going to win, what are "a lot of us" worried about?

Trump and Vance winning?

Yeah, it really does come down to "a lot of us" vs "a lot of us".

[randylahey]

A lot of us are worried about what kind of bullshit might occur in the next month or so tho however. In the democrats last ditch effort to retain power. I mean we all remember how 2020 went down

Two minutes before you posted that you posted this... "We all know trump/vance are going to win".
So if "we all" know Trump/Vance are going to win, what are "a lot of us" worried about?

I don't really wanna relive covid type tyranny or the encouragement and excuses for burning our cities like we had in 2020.

I don't really wanna see the intelligence agencies push forward with world War 3 to bypass holding an election. Shit like that.

If we have relatively normal circumstances leading to the election, trump wins with a slightly comfortable margin. But... a lot of people are worried they realize that and stir up chaos in a last ditch desperate effort to not relinquish power

[jfish26]

[Overlander]

A lot of us are worried about what kind of bullshit might occur in the next month or so tho however. In the democrats last ditch effort to retain power. I mean we all remember how 2020 went down

Two minutes before you posted that you posted this... "We all know trump/vance are going to win".
So if "we all" know Trump/Vance are going to win, what are "a lot of us" worried about?

I don't really wanna relive covid type tyranny or the encouragement and excuses for burning our cities like we had in 2020.

I don't really wanna see the intelligence agencies push forward with world War 3 to bypass holding an election. Shit like that.

If we have relatively normal circumstances leading to the election, trump wins with a slightly comfortable margin. But... a lot of people are worried they realize that and stir up chaos in a last ditch desperate effort to not relinquish power

Blink 3 times if you are ok....

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

A lot of us are worried about what kind of bullshit might occur in the next month or so tho however. In the democrats last ditch effort to retain power. I mean we all remember how 2020 went down

Two minutes before you posted that you posted this... "We all know trump/vance are going to win".
So if "we all" know Trump/Vance are going to win, what are "a lot of us" worried about?

I don't really wanna relive covid type tyranny or the encouragement and excuses for burning our cities like we had in 2020.

I don't really wanna see the intelligence agencies push forward with world War 3 to bypass holding an election. Shit like that.

If we have relatively normal circumstances leading to the election, trump wins with a slightly comfortable margin. But... a lot of people are worried they realize that and stir up chaos in a last ditch desperate effort to not relinquish power

"I don't really wanna relive covid type tyranny or the encouragement and excuses for burning our cities like we had in 2020".

* Me either. Here we are, 4 years later. No more Covid "tyranny", nor is my city CURRENTLY burning.
Although, I just missed seeing a dead woman who jumped/fell off a building a few blocks from me.
I heard there were people who witnessed it and depending on their political affiliation, made wrong assumptions based on politics.


"I don't really wanna see the intelligence agencies push forward with world War 3 to bypass holding an election".

* Me either but WWIII would be a heck of a strategy for them to use. Almost as bad as claiming voter fraud.


"If we have relatively normal circumstances leading to the election, trump wins with a slightly comfortable margin. But... a lot of people are worried they realize that and stir up chaos in a last ditch desperate effort to not relinquish power".

* That's an assumption.
Do you feel Trump and Pubs are incapable or won't stir up chaos? I'm asking because I am confident they are very capable of dropping "bombshells" by the hour. I haven't looked but I would probably be willing to bet my left testicle to someone's $5 than Donnie Jr. and Eloon (spelled that way on purpose) Musk have stirred up some shit on X/Twitter over the past 12 hours.

[jfish26]

Based on known lies.

[Shirley]

Hey japhy, this guy grew up hunting not far from the Empire.

Vic Meyers, old white guy. My thoughts on why fed lands for housing is a horrible idea.

[pdub]

I don't know why I even try to come to this shit show of a polibored.
Fucking morans/lunatics.

Just keep it here.
And I reserve the right on/around election day to boot you both if you're continuing this bullshit.

What bullshit? How do you define it? Having political opinions that are different than a small group of 10ish posters? About half the country does too. Banning us for that just makes you look bad if you do it. Are you guys really that sensitive? I mean I do appreciate you letting people openly discuss things, for the most part. But if you actually look at things, we really aren't doing anything rude or out of line

But there are a few other posters (heavy left leaning) that just resort to calling others a POS and don't offer any civil policy debate

You’re ( and Psych ) spewing conspiracy theory.
If you were on the basketball saying over and over that UNC beat KU in 2022 because Remy wasn’t eligible or some baseless bullshit id ban you so fast.
This is the polibored though. A heap of shit. So more is allowed here so it doesn’t seep anywhere else.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I don't know why I even try to come to this shit show of a polibored.
Fucking morans/lunatics.

Just keep it here.
And I reserve the right on/around election day to boot you both if you're continuing this bullshit.

What bullshit? How do you define it? Having political opinions that are different than a small group of 10ish posters? About half the country does too. Banning us for that just makes you look bad if you do it. Are you guys really that sensitive? I mean I do appreciate you letting people openly discuss things, for the most part. But if you actually look at things, we really aren't doing anything rude or out of line

But there are a few other posters (heavy left leaning) that just resort to calling others a POS and don't offer any civil policy debate

You’re ( and Psych ) spewing conspiracy theory.
If you were on the basketball saying over and over that UNC beat KU in 2022 because Remy wasn’t eligible or some baseless bullshit id ban you so fast.
This is the polibored though. A heap of shit. So more is allowed here so it doesn’t seep anywhere else.

In their defense, I think most of what they post, they truly believe and don't recognize/realize it is nothing more than a "conspiracy theory" that hasn't been and/or can't be proven true or false.
Sure, some of it I feel they are just spewing to try and burst our bubbles, but we live in a country where people are WAY too gullible - and that's not just confined to loyalists of one political party.
I'm going to Temple this morning. Extremely reluctantly but out of respect to/for my mother.
2 hours of what I feel is a conspiracy being soaked in by the flock. Or dare I say cult members? Well, yeah, I said that.
One of these days I will speak with an "expert" and ask, why do people believe things that are not true, or at least can't be proven, and refuse to believe things that are absolutely true?

[KUTradition]

this nonsense victimhood of “it’s just differing political views” is such a fucking joke

i can’t believe these are actual adult humans regurgitating absurd conspiracies and then crying victim

[jfish26]

Responding to gutter.

You’re getting into some science versus faith stuff.

Setting aside (and making no judgment about) an individual’s faith (or any particular object of faith) on its own merits…

We (as a species) historically used faith as a tool, to fill in the understanding gaps left by patchy and threadbare science. It should not be surprising that, as those understanding gaps shrink, so too does the practical utility of faith.

I wonder if what is happening is that the pace of scientific progress is so outstripping the pace of evolution - cultural and biological - that we have all of this desire to exercise “faith” with nowhere to NEED to put it; we know how the tides work now. But maybe the cultural and biological tendency toward faith (as a tool) doesn’t just disappear over a dozen or two generations.

And so we are predisposed to things to emotionally and socially invest in that are somewhat illogical; we talk all the time about how politics and team sports share so much DNA. Maybe what we’re seeing is that we’re just spoiled and bored, and some people choose to let their faith out for a walk on some paths that others find odd. I’m sure a lot of people think sports fandom is odd.

There are colder, grimmer ways to describe and analyze these things also, but that’s not the tone I’m looking for here.

[KUTradition]

yes, some people need new hobbies

[twocoach]

Responding to gutter.

You’re getting into some science versus faith stuff.

Setting aside (and making no judgment about) an individual’s faith (or any particular object of faith) on its own merits…

We (as a species) historically used faith as a tool, to fill in the understanding gaps left by patchy and threadbare science. It should not be surprising that, as those understanding gaps shrink, so too does the practical utility of faith.

I wonder if what is happening is that the pace of scientific progress is so outstripping the pace of evolution - cultural and biological - that we have all of this desire to exercise “faith” with nowhere to NEED to put it; we know how the tides work now. But maybe the cultural and biological tendency toward faith (as a tool) doesn’t just disappear over a dozen or two generations.

And so we are predisposed to things to emotionally and socially invest in that are somewhat illogical; we talk all the time about how politics and team sports share so much DNA. Maybe what we’re seeing is that we’re just spoiled and bored, and some people choose to let their faith out for a walk on some paths that others find odd. I’m sure a lot of people think sports fandom is odd.

There are colder, grimmer ways to describe and analyze these things also, but that’s not the tone I’m looking for here.

I think it's even more simple than that.

If you want to get someone to believe something, tell them their Dad or Mom told it to you. People inherently trust as providers of good information the people who are important to them and for many generations that was your parents and your priest. Those who are within a generation of family who took their religion very seriously as a part of their identity will take a few more generations to learn the reality of the seedy side of what organized religion has turned into. It's hard for them to turn their back on what their family holds so dear.

[japhy]

Hey japhy, this guy grew up hunting not far from the Empire.

Vic Meyers, old white guy. My thoughts on why fed lands for housing is a horrible idea.

I was watching the debate and Annie was trying to ignore most of it. Her ears perked up when she heard Vance drop that idea. Oh bullshit, she muttered. Vic just touches on one aspect, the good land will go to the highest bidder and be hoarded. And then there is the issue of infrastructure and utilities and associated costs. We are surrounded by hundreds of thousands of acres of BLM land. We are also surrounded by thousands of acres of privately owned and unused "building lots" that have sat vacant for 50 years. Subdivided in a get rich quick scheme back in the 1970's. You can buy those lots today for $5000 or less if you want one. Good luck building a house and living on one. Read "Cheap Land Colorado" by Ted Conover or watch the videos put out by Rocky Mountain Public TV. There is a mostly abandoned village known as "The Baca" about 20 miles east of us near Crestone that is a cautionary tale for most out there.

The town of Center annexed and bought 90 acres on its north boundary a few years back. We have an RFQ/RFP out for developers to build the first 25-30 affordable housing units on the property. Someone who has the wherewithal and demonstrable the track record, to build that many residences at one time and understands "affordable". There is also a group who wants the town instead to sell off the lots individually to locals, so that locals can make money off the project not someone from Denver. My friend Joaquin is in agreement with the later group. I asked him if he was gonna take out a loan to build a spec house if he bought a couple of lots. "Oh hell no!". I asked why, "no one here is buying spec homes." So then what will you do with the lots? "I will sell them for twice what I bought them for to someone wanting to build a home here." So your neighbors will all own lots as well, how will you sell yours when they are wanting to sell theirs as well? He looked at me for awhile. You will have to cut the price of your lot to sell, everyone will cut their price to sell. Until the first house is built, nothing will sell. Until the first house is built there will not be utilities brought out to the 90 acres. The 90 acres will be the new Baca. There won't be a house built there for 10 years. Let a developer take the first risk, give them the chance to build 30 houses to make their money back. Then you should buy a lot and work on your own projects in a developing neighborhood. He seemed to agree with that analysis.

Affordable housing is not a money maker when compared to building mansions. They have built a number of multimillion dollar homes up Carnero Creek canyon on 40 plus acres over the years. Builders can make money on those jobs. A $200k or less home in town? Not so much.

It is lot more complex than demonized gubermint regulashuns.

It is being done in Colorado. There are not enough being built, but it is not because the gubermint is hoarding all of the land. Private developers for the most part don't want to invest in low profit/higher risk projects. It is taking government and quasi-government institutions working to solve the problem. Like any infrastructure project; utilities, storm water control, roads. They are high cost, high maintenance projects with low rate of return. Affordable housing is similar, it is needed by everyone but it is low return. Socialism? Whatever, it is an investment in the overall stability and prosperity of a town and our country. We did it after WWII, we could do it again.

[pdub]

Our science hasn’t even come close to the level to explaining existence. We haven’t even explored the majority of our own planet. We’ve made it to a rock floating around our orbit.

Having faith, to a degree, isn’t in the same realm as something so very tangible as counting votes for a candidate in a single country for a particular election.

[TDub]

we need to protect and preserve public lands at all costs. There is a dwindling amount of it and it is essential. BLM, national forests, etc. Do not allow development on those lands.

In fact, we should be creating more of those areas with these land designations.

[TDub]

Our science hasn’t even come close to the level to explaining existence. We haven’t even explored the majority of our own planet. We’ve made it to a rock floating around our orbit.

Having faith, to a degree, isn’t in the same realm as something so very tangible as counting votes for a candidate in a single country for a particular election.

way off topic here..
but some think that's what the "disclosure" (admitting long term governmental contact with Aliens)is all about. Some think that we've learned, in part, the explanation for our existence.....but its not the answer we wanted.


who knows. It's all fascinating to me and none of it changes how I live so I can entertain all sorts of thoughts.

[twocoach]

Our science hasn’t even come close to the level to explaining existence. We haven’t even explored the majority of our own planet. We’ve made it to a rock floating around our orbit.

Having faith, to a degree, isn’t in the same realm as something so very tangible as counting votes for a candidate in a single country for a particular election.

I exist because my Dad had sex with my Mom on a certain day at a certain time in a certain location. If the date, time, location or individuals involved were different then there would be someone else here trying to explain why they're here. It is vain of me to think that my existence is anything more than a product of those things. Only humans are so vain that they feel the need to create some greater meaning to their existence other than the simple act of it being the consequence of sexual intercourse.