trumpty plumpty

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KUTradition wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:19 pm
Overlander wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:57 pm Did everyone get their orders in for their “Trump Combat Knife”?

Claim your 20% off using RBSN20 at checkout, at www.patriotaddictdeals.com

Come on people, it is a LIMITED EDITION knife! Trumps power will be with you when you are locked in hand to hand combat with a transsexual Mexican school teacher….
stocking stuffers for all the psychos in your life…the tailgate package

A package filled with exciting items like Trump hat, bracelet, flag, beanie hat, coffee mug, license plate, backpack, watch , luxury signature pen and keychain—all featuring bold Trump designs to showcase your support in style.
There appears to be a larger number of men than I thought who need:

Boner pills
Tanned nuts
Knives
Assault rifles
Tazers
Bullhorns
Monster trucks
Tactical sunglasses
Survival food packs
Tacticool ANYTHING


All to impress the rest of us into realizing that we can never be real men.

Forget the fact that they have mountains of debt trying to keep up, tiny little wieners and only hate those that they deep down inside know that cannot equal, let alone surpass.

It must suck so bad.
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Cities seek more than $750K in unpaid bills for Trump campaign events since 2016

once a crook, always a crook
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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KUTradition wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:36 am Cities seek more than $750K in unpaid bills for Trump campaign events since 2016

once a crook, always a crook
Props to the Coachella Valley folks who said "Fuck him, let him find his own busses"
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No one told me there would be fact checking.

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jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:40 am
japhy wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:12 am The more I read about the Coachella/trumpty plumpty fiasco the more it seems the rubes were brought in to fluff his ego and then after that he doesn't care what happens to them.

Take note rubes, after the election trumpty won't need you and he will be back to the economics of making life better for the top 1%. Any crumbs you get will be transactional. Be prepared to assume the position.

Thank you for your debt services rubes.
It’s not a good sign for what the post-election period looks like, that Trump is doing events in states in which he has no chance.

He is telling all of us, out loud, that he does not care whether or not he actually wins. And that is not, unlike 2016, because he doesn’t care TO win.
I wrote this post yesterday before I saw Trump glitch and go into SAFE MODE at a town hall last night, and self-combust at an event today.

I now wonder if they’re trying to limit his visibility in swing states because he is now making Harris’s case quite effectively on his own.

We’ll see how he does in Georgia tonight!
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jfish26 wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:05 pm No one told me there would be fact checking.

Harris should volunteer to take a cognitive test.... if Trump has to take the same exam. The dude just hit pause like he was Mitch McConnell staring out through frozen eyes yesterday.
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She should indeed
Challenge him to do it live, on the air.

Friday at 10 am is open on my calendar.

Surely Ol Donny is up for it
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I guess the interview today didn't go well for the economic stable genius.
Donald Trump continued his pre-election economic event tour on Tuesday with a lengthy interview with Bloomberg at the Economic Club of Chicago. It was a total mess.

Bloomberg Editor-In-Chief John Micklethwait did not take it easy on Trump, and it quickly became clear that the former president has no conception of the mechanics of or the potential ramifications of the economic platform he’s running on. Bluntly, the former president was incoherent when pressed with real questions about his policies.

Micklethwait spent most of the interview attempting to break Trump out of what the former president repeatedly referred to as “the weave,” his term for his rambling digressions — with ever-decreasing intelligibility — and general inability to focus on a given topic for more than a few seconds during his rallies and interviews.

Micklethwait didn’t weave along with Trump, however, repeatedly working to bring him back on topic and answer the actual questions. The grilling exposed Trump’s total cluelessness with regard to his own economic policy, and led Trump to attack Micklethwait as biased.

Here are the most notable moments from the most rigorous round of policy questioning Trump has been subjected to in recent memory.

Trump gets schooled on tariffs

The central pillar of Trump’s economic plan is widespread tariffs on all imported goods, with penalties appearing to increase depending on how much he dislikes the country. Economists have warned that such a policy could have devastating effects on American consumers, who would be saddled with increased costs for all imported goods.

When questioned about the specifics of his plan, and if he was aware of its pitfalls, Trump seemed ignorant of basic economic principles, insisting that other countries, not American consumers, would pay for the tariffs.

Micklethwait tried to explain the actual impact. “Three-trillion worth of imports and you will add tariffs to every single one of them, and push up the cost for all of these people to buy foreign goods,” he said. “That is just simple mathematics.”
Something the rubes aren't good at and neither is their lord and savior.
Trump countered that he was “always good at mathematics,” and that high tariffs — and thus costs — would force companies to move production into the United States.

“That will take many, many, many years,” Micklethwait said, to which Trump replied that high enough penalties would make the move immediate as if companies could simply wand wave production plants, orchards, wineries, factories, and the like into existence.

The former president also insisted that his tariff proposal would not result in the loss of jobs that are dependent on trade, because companies that moved to the U.S. would not be subject to the tax. “All you have to do is build your plant in the United States and you don’t have any tariffs,” he said.
And how long will it take to build these plants donnie dearest? A non-senile real estate developer would know this is bullshit. But rubes believe he can do the impossible, even if he couldn't finish his wall.
Trump gets frustrated and bashes the interviewer
Micklethwait’s attempts to keep Trump on topic earned him no grace from the former president, who hates few things more than being contradicted.

When Micklethwait asked Trump to address a report by The Wall Street Journal estimating that his economic proposals would raise the national debt by upwards of $7 trillion, the former president fell back on his standard playbook: bashing the interviewer.

“What does The Wall Street Journal know? They’ve been wrong about everything, and so have you by the way, you’ve been wrong,” Trump replied, crossing his arms and curling into his seat.

“You’ve been wrong all your life on this stuff,” he added.
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Trump responds to a question about Google by ranting about voting in Virginia

One theme of the interview was Trump totally avoiding giving straight answers to the questions Micklethwait asked him. The most egregious example came when Micklethwait asked Trump if he believes the Justice Department should break up Google.

Trump responded by sighing and ranting about Virginia’s voter rolls. “The question is about Google, President Trump,” Micklethwait replied. Trump then went on a spiel about how Google is unfair to him and doesn’t show users any positive stories about him.
Well god damnit give the old fuckwit some credit, he did not talk about Hannabel Lecter, or electric boats or sharks.
Trump claims immigrants would kill an audience member when asked how deportations will affect the job market

When Micklethwait noted that Trump’s plan to deport 11 million undocumented workers would have a large impact on the American economy — as many undocumented migrants participate in the labor force — Trump immediately pivoted to crime.

“It came out last week that 125,000 people are horrible criminals at the highest level,” Trump said and repeated a false claim that more than 13,000 undocumented migrants convicted of murder had been released into the country by the Biden administration. “We’ve had the best numbers but now we have the worst numbers and here is the problem, we have some of the worst criminals in the world coming in,” he added.

“The issue I asked you about was the idea if you reduce immigration — every economist will tell you — if you have fewer people, there is a smaller economy,” Micklethwait interjected after Trump ranted about murderous migrants for several minutes. Trump continued and at one point singled out a member of the audience, calling her a “beautiful woman.”

“They will look at you — down [there] a beautiful woman — they’ll look at you and they will kill you,” he said.

An exasperated Micklethwait noted that the crime rate has actually gone down under Biden.
trumpty plumpty....protecting the ladies....when he is not sexually assaulting or insulting them himself.
Trump responds to a question about how he’d cut government spending by talking about Air Force One

At one point in the conversation, Trump, after speaking at length about rockets, reiterated his past assertion that he would nominate billionaire Elon Musk to his government and put him in charge of cutting wasteful spending and regulations. When asked by Micklethwait to give an example of how he would cut waste, Trump pointed to the remodeling of Air Force One.

Trump is unable to say how he’d help small businesses

Trump’s tariff proposal could be a disaster for small businesses that rely on imports. Micklethwait noted that when Trump imposed a tariff on Chinese imports while he was in office — one that is smaller that what he is proposing for a second term — he helped Apple deal with the ramifications, giving them a deal. Micklethwait then asked Trump how he would help companies that aren’t so big. Trump was unable to provide a response, repeatedly bringing up how he helped Apple despite Micklethwait’s efforts to get him to address small businesses.

Trump doesn’t deny he’s been talking to Putin since he left office

Journalist Bob Woodward reports in his new book War that Trump has spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin multiple times since leaving office. Trump’s team denied this, but Trump declined to do so himself on Tuesday, telling Micklethwait that he won’t comment on it, but that if he did talk to Putin it would “be a smart thing.”

Trump mocks autoworkers

Trump argued that his tariffs will lead Mercedes-Benz to start building in the U.S., arguing that now they build everything in Germany and their cars are only assembled in the U.S. He doesn’t seem to have much respect for the autoworkers at these “assembly” plants. “They take them out of a box and they assemble them,” Trump said. “We could have a child do it.”
Aaaand Sarah Huckabee Sanders would like to see them kids workin in Arkansaw.
Trump says Jan. 6 riot was filled with “love and peace”

Trump tried yet again to rewrite history about Jan. 6, 2021, when a mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. He said on Tuesday that it was a “peaceful transfer of power,” accused Micklethwait of being biased against him for asking the questions, and reiterated that he believes the 2020 election was “crooked.”

“It was love and peace,” Trump said of Jan. 6. “Some people went to the Capitol and a lot of strange things happened there, with people being waved into the Capitol by police,” he added, nodding to conspiracy theories that the federal government helped orchestrate the riot to make Trump and his supporters look bad.

Trump claims his rambling is strategic

At one point, after Trump spent minutes meandering through multiple trains of thought in response to a question about the American dollar’s status as an international reserve currency, Micklethwait attempted to interject into his rambling. Trump wasn’t happy.

“You have got to be able to finish a thought because it is very important,” Trump said.

“You’ve gone from the dollar to [Emmanuel Macron],” Micklethwait countered.

The former president claimed that his speaking style was “called the weave” and that “it’s all these different things happening.”
Incoherent things, weird connections of things, things, things, things, can we just stop the questions and listen to some music now?. There you have it folks the economic savior of the rubes. He will make magic happen.

I understand that during his interview trading in DJT stock had to be shut down because the value was in freefall, again.

MAGIC!!! Now you see your money, now you don't!

And, I can't stay it enough; thank you for your debt service rubes.
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Speaking of which, Japh, looking like someone pumped up Trump's DJT stock so 80,000,000 shares could be dumped today. Cut and run?
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“I didn’t like [football],” Trump said. “I played tight ... tight end. I could catch the ball good, but I didn’t particularly like having some guy who was lifting weights all day long and came from a bad neighborhood and he sees me ... they were tackling hard.”

doesn’t speak English too good either

the entire exchange seems to be based on a fabrication, since he went to boarding school at age 13 at New York Military Academy…which doesn’t have a football team

and then there’s the dog whistles
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:27 am “I didn’t like [football],” Trump said. “I played tight ... tight end. I could catch the ball good, but I didn’t particularly like having some guy who was lifting weights all day long and came from a bad neighborhood and he sees me ... they were tackling hard.”

doesn’t speak English too good either

the entire exchange seems to be a fabrication, since he went to boarding school at age 13 at New York Military Academy…which doesn’t have a football team
Why do you and others try so hard to go one step further - when the step before is more than sufficient?
New York Military Academy does have a football team - and he played on it when he was in school.
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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:32 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:27 am “I didn’t like [football],” Trump said. “I played tight ... tight end. I could catch the ball good, but I didn’t particularly like having some guy who was lifting weights all day long and came from a bad neighborhood and he sees me ... they were tackling hard.”

doesn’t speak English too good either

the entire exchange seems to be a fabrication, since he went to boarding school at age 13 at New York Military Academy…which doesn’t have a football team
Why do you and others try so hard to go one step further - when the step before is more than sufficient?
New York Military Academy does have a football team - and he played on it when he was in school.
Agreed, they did have a football team at the time and there are team photos out there with Trump on them. And yeah, I would bet that Trump is telling the truth that he didn't like to get tackled by boys who were stronger than him. Bullies rarely like feeling bullied.
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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:32 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:27 am “I didn’t like [football],” Trump said. “I played tight ... tight end. I could catch the ball good, but I didn’t particularly like having some guy who was lifting weights all day long and came from a bad neighborhood and he sees me ... they were tackling hard.”

doesn’t speak English too good either

the entire exchange seems to be a fabrication, since he went to boarding school at age 13 at New York Military Academy…which doesn’t have a football team
Why do you and others try so hard to go one step further - when the step before is more than sufficient?
New York Military Academy does have a football team - and he played on it when he was in school.
that’s my mistake, and i’ll own it

it was twitter post cited in HuffPost…i should do better

i got musked
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:21 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:32 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:27 am “I didn’t like [football],” Trump said. “I played tight ... tight end. I could catch the ball good, but I didn’t particularly like having some guy who was lifting weights all day long and came from a bad neighborhood and he sees me ... they were tackling hard.”

doesn’t speak English too good either

the entire exchange seems to be a fabrication, since he went to boarding school at age 13 at New York Military Academy…which doesn’t have a football team
Why do you and others try so hard to go one step further - when the step before is more than sufficient?
New York Military Academy does have a football team - and he played on it when he was in school.
that’s my mistake, and i’ll own it

it was twitter post cited in HuffPost…i should do better

i got musked
Like EVERYONE, you read something and shared it with others. We all do it
You have since realized what you shared was a mistake and I give you credit for "owning up" to it.
My apology if I came off as being overly harsh. I get very frustrated when people (INCLUDING MYSELF) get duped by things we see/read on social media.
Yesterday I had a 45 minute heated discussion with someone about "mis-information" that is spewed on social media and how it can and does manipulate others. She was giving kudos to Musk for the "fact checker" on his site. I said that's a crock of shit being that HE has knowingly posted shit he either knew was a blatant lie or he didn't fact check - and sure he has gotten called out on it but not until after literally millions of people have read it and believed it to be true. 95% of those people then don't see that it was "fact checked" and proven false. It's total bullshit to me!
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RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:35 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:21 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:32 am

Why do you and others try so hard to go one step further - when the step before is more than sufficient?
New York Military Academy does have a football team - and he played on it when he was in school.
that’s my mistake, and i’ll own it

it was twitter post cited in HuffPost…i should do better

i got musked
Like EVERYONE, you read something and shared it with others. We all do it
You have since realized what you shared was a mistake and I give you credit for "owning up" to it.
My apology if I came off as being overly harsh. I get very frustrated when people (INCLUDING MYSELF) get duped by things we see/read on social media.
Yesterday I had a 45 minute heated discussion with someone about "mis-information" that is spewed on social media and how it can and does manipulate others. She was giving kudos to Musk for the "fact checker" on his site. I said that's a crock of shit being that HE has knowingly posted shit he either knew was a blatant lie or he didn't fact check - and sure he has gotten called out on it but not until after literally millions of people have read it and believed it to be true. 95% of those people then don't see that it was "fact checked" and proven false. It's total bullshit to me!
don’t apologize. thank you for pointing it out

i’ve got no issue taking the criticism, particularly because i tend to pride myself on doing the research and NOT spreading lies

had i known it was false, i wouldn’t have posted it
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:39 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:35 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:21 am
that’s my mistake, and i’ll own it

it was twitter post cited in HuffPost…i should do better

i got musked
Like EVERYONE, you read something and shared it with others. We all do it
You have since realized what you shared was a mistake and I give you credit for "owning up" to it.
My apology if I came off as being overly harsh. I get very frustrated when people (INCLUDING MYSELF) get duped by things we see/read on social media.
Yesterday I had a 45 minute heated discussion with someone about "mis-information" that is spewed on social media and how it can and does manipulate others. She was giving kudos to Musk for the "fact checker" on his site. I said that's a crock of shit being that HE has knowingly posted shit he either knew was a blatant lie or he didn't fact check - and sure he has gotten called out on it but not until after literally millions of people have read it and believed it to be true. 95% of those people then don't see that it was "fact checked" and proven false. It's total bullshit to me!
don’t apologize. thank you for pointing it out

i’ve got no issue taking the criticism, particularly because i tend to pride myself on doing the research and NOT spreading lies

had i known it was false, i wouldn’t have posted it
Sir, you are doing this wrong. You are supposed to squirt some squid ink into the conversation, double down, accuse others of doing what you did, and then lay in wait to find some sort of information that gives you just enough daylight to declare that you were right all along.
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:39 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:35 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:21 am
that’s my mistake, and i’ll own it

it was twitter post cited in HuffPost…i should do better

i got musked
Like EVERYONE, you read something and shared it with others. We all do it
You have since realized what you shared was a mistake and I give you credit for "owning up" to it.
My apology if I came off as being overly harsh. I get very frustrated when people (INCLUDING MYSELF) get duped by things we see/read on social media.
Yesterday I had a 45 minute heated discussion with someone about "mis-information" that is spewed on social media and how it can and does manipulate others. She was giving kudos to Musk for the "fact checker" on his site. I said that's a crock of shit being that HE has knowingly posted shit he either knew was a blatant lie or he didn't fact check - and sure he has gotten called out on it but not until after literally millions of people have read it and believed it to be true. 95% of those people then don't see that it was "fact checked" and proven false. It's total bullshit to me!
don’t apologize. thank you for pointing it out

i’ve got no issue taking the criticism, particularly because i tend to pride myself on doing the research and NOT spreading lies

had i known it was false, i wouldn’t have posted it
Wow, this is like growed up adult accepting accountability shit right here. This is ethical behavior.

If all I read on this message board was this stuff and put everything else on mute, my experience would be, dare I say, more pleasant.

Something to consider.
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Fact checking the human firehose of lies seems like an exhausting job. This is just from his petulant "interview" in Chicago I beleive.
When former President Donald Trump was challenged at a Tuesday event about the potential economic harms of his proposal for across-the-board tariffs on imported goods, Trump told what sounded like a tariff success story.

He said that in response to his threat to impose hefty tariffs on John Deere if the storied American farm equipment maker went ahead with a plan to move some production from the US to Mexico, the company had just announced it was likely abandoning that outsourcing plan.

Trump said: “Are you ready? John Deere, great company. They announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico … I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But a search of news articles and corporate press releases showed nothing about any such John Deere announcement the day prior. And in response to Trump’s story, a John Deere spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg News that it had not changed its plans or announced any such changes.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a CNN request for any evidence for the former president’s story.

Trump has told numerous fictional tales in recent weeks. Aside from the John Deere story, the Republican presidential nominee made at least 19 false claims at the Tuesday event, which was a public interview at the Economic Club of Chicago that was conducted by John Micklethwait, editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News.

Harris, migrants and criminals: Trump, criticizing Vice President Kamala Harris on immigration, again falsely described a recently released set of statistics about immigrants in the US with homicide convictions, claiming again that the figures are specifically about people who entered the country during the Biden-Harris administration: “It came out that 13,099 were let in, during their administration – they tried to say longer, wrong: over the last three-and-a-half years – 13,000-plus people came in: murderers.”

In reality, these figures are about people who entered the country over decades, including during Trump’s own administration, not just under Biden and Harris. And, critically, the figures include people who are currently incarcerated in federal, state and local prisons and jails. You can read more here.

Guns and the Capitol riot: Trump, speaking of rioters at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, repeated his false claim that “not one of those people had a gun.” It has been proven in court that multiple rioters had guns – in addition to stun guns, knives, chemical sprays and numerous other weapons.

The size of the Capitol riot: Trump correctly noted that the Washington, DC, rally he addressed prior to the Capitol riot was peaceful, but then wrongly described the size of the riot, saying, “I don’t know what you had – five, six, seven hundred people – go down to the Capitol.”

Trump’s figures are way off. The Justice Department said in an official update earlier this month that about 1,532 defendants had, so far, been federally charged with crimes associated with the attack on the Capitol. The FBI said in 2021 that “approximately 2,000 individuals are believed to have been involved with the siege” and the actual number might well be hundreds higher.

Inflation under Trump: Trump repeated his false claim that there was “no inflation” over his four years as president. Cumulative inflation during Trump’s presidency was about 8%.

Inflation under Biden: Trump also falsely claimed, “Biden went two years with no inflation, because he inherited from me. And then they started spending money like drunken sailors.” Cumulative inflation during Biden’s first two years as president was about 14%, and inflation increased sharply in Biden’s first months as president in 2021. In fact, the Biden-era peak for year-over-year inflation, about 9.1% in June 2022, happened within Biden’s first two years as president.

Supreme Court justices: Trump correctly said that he was able to appoint three Supreme Court justices, but he falsely added, “Most presidents don’t even get to put a Supreme Court judge in.” Just four presidents didn’t get to appoint a Supreme Court justice, as PolitiFact previously reported when Trump made a similar claim; three of those four presidents served less than a full term.

Who pays tariffs: Trump repeated his false claim that, through tariffs, “We got hundreds of billions of dollars just from China alone.” US importers make the actual tariff payments, not China, and study after study has found that Americans bore the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trump’s tariffs on China.

Previous presidents and tariffs on China: Trump repeated his false claim that no previous president had imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, saying, “Not one president charged China anything.” The US was generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on Chinese imports before Trump took office; in fact, the US has had tariffs on Chinese imports since 1789. And while Trump specifically named President Barack Obama as a president who didn’t “charge” China, Obama imposed additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

Trade with the European Union: Trump falsely claimed of the European Union: “Farm products – you know, they don’t want our farm – they don’t want anything from us.” The US exported more than $639 billion worth of total goods and services to the European Union in 2023. The federal government says the EU was the fifth-largest 2022 export market for US agricultural and related products, behind China, Canada, Mexico and Japan.

The trade deficit with the European Union: Trump falsely claimed the US has “a trade deficit of $300 billion with the European Union”; he then increased the figure to “$350 billion.” The US goods and services trade deficit with the European Union was about $125 billion in 2023. Even counting goods trade alone and excluding services, the 2023 deficit was about $201 billion.

Venezuela and migration: Trump repeated his false claim that Venezuela has emptied its prisons to send criminals to the US as migrants, then added in his recently introduced false claim that “they load up the buses and they drive them into the United States, and they’re dropping their prisoners into our country.”

Experts have told CNN, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org that they know of no evidence that Venezuela has emptied prisons for migration purposes; Trump has never corroborated that claim, let alone his new claim about Venezuelan authorities somehow busing criminals into the US.

The US and NATO: Trump repeated his false claim that, until he became president, the US was “spending almost 100% for NATO.” Official NATO figures show that in 2016, the last year before Trump took office, US defense spending made up about 71% of total defense spending by NATO members – a large majority, but not “almost 100%.” And Trump’s claim is even more inaccurate if he was talking about the direct contributions that cover NATO’s organizational expenses, which are set based on each country’s national income; the US was responsible for about 22% of those contributions in 2016.

Trump and Nord Stream 2: Trump claimed that, as president, “The first thing I did was terminated Nord Stream 2,” a Russian natural gas pipeline to Germany.

But Trump didn’t terminate the pipeline, let alone do so as his first act in office. In reality, he signed sanctions related to the pipeline into law about three years into his presidency, when the pipeline was already about 90% complete. The state-owned Russian company behind the project announced in December 2020, while Trump was still president, that construction was resuming.

In addition, Trump repeated his false claim that, before he opposed the project, “Nobody ever heard of Nord Stream 2.” Nord Stream 2 was a regular subject of media, government and diplomatic discussion before Trump took office. In fact, Joe Biden publicly criticized it as vice president in 2016.

Trump and ISIS: Trump repeated his false claim that “I knocked out ISIS in a matter of weeks; it was supposed to take four to five years, I did it in a matter of weeks.” The ISIS “caliphate” was declared fully liberated more than two years into Trump’s presidency.

South Korea’s payments for the US military presence: Trump repeated his false claim that before his presidency, South Korea paid “nothing” for the US military presence there. He claimed that when he started trying to get South Korea to pay, the country responded, “We will not. We haven’t paid since the Korean War.”

South Korea has been paying for the US military presence for decades. In 2014, more than two years before Trump took office, South Korea agreed to pay the US about $867 million that year and then, through 2018, to increase the payments annually based on the rate of inflation. The Congressional Research Service wrote in a 2023 report: “In the past, South Korea generally paid for 40%-50% (over $800 million annually) of the total non-personnel costs of maintaining the U.S. troop presence in South Korea.”

US troops in South Korea: Trump falsely claimed, as he has before, that the US has “40,000 troops” in South Korea.

Pentagon statistics show that Trump’s figure is a significant exaggeration, whether he was talking about troop levels under Biden or the situation when he took office. As of June 30, 2024, there were 27,076 US military personnel in South Korea, including civilians working for the Department of Defense, according to those official statistics; as of December 31, 2016, less than a month before Trump took office, it was 26,878.

Trump’s negotiations with South Korea: Trump falsely claimed that after demanding that South Korea pay $5 billion per year for the US military presence there, “they agreed to $2 (billion); I got $2 billion for nothing.” In reality, the one-year deal to which South Korea agreed in 2019 was for roughly $925 million, not $2 billion; Trump, who continued to make demands for far greater sums, was unable to secure a longer-term deal while he was president.

Biden’s deal with South Korea: Trump repeated his false claim that under Biden, South Korea is back to paying “nothing” for the US military presence, saying, “Because it went back to Biden and they gave it to them for nothing.”

In fact, South Korea agreed under Biden and Harris to pay more for the US military presence than it had been paying during the Trump era. Completing the negotiations that began under Trump, South Korea agreed in March 2021 to a 2021 payment increase of 13.9% — meaning its payment that year would be about $1 billion — and then additional increases in 2022 through 2025 tied to increases in South Korea’s defense budget.

The two countries reached a tentative agreement early this month for another deal covering the period from 2026 to 2030, which would begin with an 8.3% increase over the 2025 payment.
It probably helps that he repeats so many lies. Once they write the rebuttal it is copy and paste....that's not to say they plagiarize, which I understand is a crime worse than a deadly insurrection and attempt to overthrow our deep state gubermint, which is a forgive and forget/deny type of offense. .
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japhy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:55 pm Fact checking the human firehose of lies seems like an exhausting job. This is just from his petulant "interview" in Chicago I beleive.
When former President Donald Trump was challenged at a Tuesday event about the potential economic harms of his proposal for across-the-board tariffs on imported goods, Trump told what sounded like a tariff success story.

He said that in response to his threat to impose hefty tariffs on John Deere if the storied American farm equipment maker went ahead with a plan to move some production from the US to Mexico, the company had just announced it was likely abandoning that outsourcing plan.

Trump said: “Are you ready? John Deere, great company. They announced about a year ago they’re gonna build big plants outside of the United States. Right? They’re going to build them in Mexico … I said, ‘If John Deere builds those plants, they’re not selling anything into the United States.’ They just announced yesterday they’re probably not going to build the plants, OK? I kept the jobs here.”

But a search of news articles and corporate press releases showed nothing about any such John Deere announcement the day prior. And in response to Trump’s story, a John Deere spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg News that it had not changed its plans or announced any such changes.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a CNN request for any evidence for the former president’s story.

Trump has told numerous fictional tales in recent weeks. Aside from the John Deere story, the Republican presidential nominee made at least 19 false claims at the Tuesday event, which was a public interview at the Economic Club of Chicago that was conducted by John Micklethwait, editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News.

Harris, migrants and criminals: Trump, criticizing Vice President Kamala Harris on immigration, again falsely described a recently released set of statistics about immigrants in the US with homicide convictions, claiming again that the figures are specifically about people who entered the country during the Biden-Harris administration: “It came out that 13,099 were let in, during their administration – they tried to say longer, wrong: over the last three-and-a-half years – 13,000-plus people came in: murderers.”

In reality, these figures are about people who entered the country over decades, including during Trump’s own administration, not just under Biden and Harris. And, critically, the figures include people who are currently incarcerated in federal, state and local prisons and jails. You can read more here.

Guns and the Capitol riot: Trump, speaking of rioters at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, repeated his false claim that “not one of those people had a gun.” It has been proven in court that multiple rioters had guns – in addition to stun guns, knives, chemical sprays and numerous other weapons.

The size of the Capitol riot: Trump correctly noted that the Washington, DC, rally he addressed prior to the Capitol riot was peaceful, but then wrongly described the size of the riot, saying, “I don’t know what you had – five, six, seven hundred people – go down to the Capitol.”

Trump’s figures are way off. The Justice Department said in an official update earlier this month that about 1,532 defendants had, so far, been federally charged with crimes associated with the attack on the Capitol. The FBI said in 2021 that “approximately 2,000 individuals are believed to have been involved with the siege” and the actual number might well be hundreds higher.

Inflation under Trump: Trump repeated his false claim that there was “no inflation” over his four years as president. Cumulative inflation during Trump’s presidency was about 8%.

Inflation under Biden: Trump also falsely claimed, “Biden went two years with no inflation, because he inherited from me. And then they started spending money like drunken sailors.” Cumulative inflation during Biden’s first two years as president was about 14%, and inflation increased sharply in Biden’s first months as president in 2021. In fact, the Biden-era peak for year-over-year inflation, about 9.1% in June 2022, happened within Biden’s first two years as president.

Supreme Court justices: Trump correctly said that he was able to appoint three Supreme Court justices, but he falsely added, “Most presidents don’t even get to put a Supreme Court judge in.” Just four presidents didn’t get to appoint a Supreme Court justice, as PolitiFact previously reported when Trump made a similar claim; three of those four presidents served less than a full term.

Who pays tariffs: Trump repeated his false claim that, through tariffs, “We got hundreds of billions of dollars just from China alone.” US importers make the actual tariff payments, not China, and study after study has found that Americans bore the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trump’s tariffs on China.

Previous presidents and tariffs on China: Trump repeated his false claim that no previous president had imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, saying, “Not one president charged China anything.” The US was generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on Chinese imports before Trump took office; in fact, the US has had tariffs on Chinese imports since 1789. And while Trump specifically named President Barack Obama as a president who didn’t “charge” China, Obama imposed additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

Trade with the European Union: Trump falsely claimed of the European Union: “Farm products – you know, they don’t want our farm – they don’t want anything from us.” The US exported more than $639 billion worth of total goods and services to the European Union in 2023. The federal government says the EU was the fifth-largest 2022 export market for US agricultural and related products, behind China, Canada, Mexico and Japan.

The trade deficit with the European Union: Trump falsely claimed the US has “a trade deficit of $300 billion with the European Union”; he then increased the figure to “$350 billion.” The US goods and services trade deficit with the European Union was about $125 billion in 2023. Even counting goods trade alone and excluding services, the 2023 deficit was about $201 billion.

Venezuela and migration: Trump repeated his false claim that Venezuela has emptied its prisons to send criminals to the US as migrants, then added in his recently introduced false claim that “they load up the buses and they drive them into the United States, and they’re dropping their prisoners into our country.”

Experts have told CNN, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org that they know of no evidence that Venezuela has emptied prisons for migration purposes; Trump has never corroborated that claim, let alone his new claim about Venezuelan authorities somehow busing criminals into the US.

The US and NATO: Trump repeated his false claim that, until he became president, the US was “spending almost 100% for NATO.” Official NATO figures show that in 2016, the last year before Trump took office, US defense spending made up about 71% of total defense spending by NATO members – a large majority, but not “almost 100%.” And Trump’s claim is even more inaccurate if he was talking about the direct contributions that cover NATO’s organizational expenses, which are set based on each country’s national income; the US was responsible for about 22% of those contributions in 2016.

Trump and Nord Stream 2: Trump claimed that, as president, “The first thing I did was terminated Nord Stream 2,” a Russian natural gas pipeline to Germany.

But Trump didn’t terminate the pipeline, let alone do so as his first act in office. In reality, he signed sanctions related to the pipeline into law about three years into his presidency, when the pipeline was already about 90% complete. The state-owned Russian company behind the project announced in December 2020, while Trump was still president, that construction was resuming.

In addition, Trump repeated his false claim that, before he opposed the project, “Nobody ever heard of Nord Stream 2.” Nord Stream 2 was a regular subject of media, government and diplomatic discussion before Trump took office. In fact, Joe Biden publicly criticized it as vice president in 2016.

Trump and ISIS: Trump repeated his false claim that “I knocked out ISIS in a matter of weeks; it was supposed to take four to five years, I did it in a matter of weeks.” The ISIS “caliphate” was declared fully liberated more than two years into Trump’s presidency.

South Korea’s payments for the US military presence: Trump repeated his false claim that before his presidency, South Korea paid “nothing” for the US military presence there. He claimed that when he started trying to get South Korea to pay, the country responded, “We will not. We haven’t paid since the Korean War.”

South Korea has been paying for the US military presence for decades. In 2014, more than two years before Trump took office, South Korea agreed to pay the US about $867 million that year and then, through 2018, to increase the payments annually based on the rate of inflation. The Congressional Research Service wrote in a 2023 report: “In the past, South Korea generally paid for 40%-50% (over $800 million annually) of the total non-personnel costs of maintaining the U.S. troop presence in South Korea.”

US troops in South Korea: Trump falsely claimed, as he has before, that the US has “40,000 troops” in South Korea.

Pentagon statistics show that Trump’s figure is a significant exaggeration, whether he was talking about troop levels under Biden or the situation when he took office. As of June 30, 2024, there were 27,076 US military personnel in South Korea, including civilians working for the Department of Defense, according to those official statistics; as of December 31, 2016, less than a month before Trump took office, it was 26,878.

Trump’s negotiations with South Korea: Trump falsely claimed that after demanding that South Korea pay $5 billion per year for the US military presence there, “they agreed to $2 (billion); I got $2 billion for nothing.” In reality, the one-year deal to which South Korea agreed in 2019 was for roughly $925 million, not $2 billion; Trump, who continued to make demands for far greater sums, was unable to secure a longer-term deal while he was president.

Biden’s deal with South Korea: Trump repeated his false claim that under Biden, South Korea is back to paying “nothing” for the US military presence, saying, “Because it went back to Biden and they gave it to them for nothing.”

In fact, South Korea agreed under Biden and Harris to pay more for the US military presence than it had been paying during the Trump era. Completing the negotiations that began under Trump, South Korea agreed in March 2021 to a 2021 payment increase of 13.9% — meaning its payment that year would be about $1 billion — and then additional increases in 2022 through 2025 tied to increases in South Korea’s defense budget.

The two countries reached a tentative agreement early this month for another deal covering the period from 2026 to 2030, which would begin with an 8.3% increase over the 2025 payment.
It probably helps that he repeats so many lies. Once they write the rebuttal it is copy and paste....that's not to say they plagiarize, which I understand is a crime worse than a deadly insurrection and attempt to overthrow our deep state gubermint, which is a forgive and forget/deny type of offense. .
Yes - but what the experts at these things (of which Trump and Vance absolutely are) do, is bury secondary lies in the torrent, such that they go unrebutted at least in the synopses. That’s why all of the cover the MSM has given Trump - up to and very much including refusing to describe him as what he plainly is - is so pernicious.
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