Indigenous People's Day

[Overlander]

"MTG and China Bibles"

All you need to know.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not simple staples - but I have seen the food - that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

I ask this with respect for you Gutter, I hope it is received as so.

I do not doubt your first hand accounts of crimes that you (or anyone else that lives in a high population/high traffic area) witness daily. Would your opinion be that what you witness first hand is verifiable as "illegal migrants" committing these crimes in a higher number than non-illegal migrants...or other races etc?

In my day to day, I interact with a large amount of people who don't speak english as their normal communication (russian, portugese, etc). If I witnessed them commit a crime, how would I know whether they were here legally or illegally? Is there an assumption of their status attained by the act itself?

In my opinion, not enough attention is being given to how many of these community crimes that are being committed by people with serious mental health issues, regardless of race or status. Funding for mental health was greatly diminished during the Bush years, resulting in many of the folks who could have sought out treatment to try to live in a social society that doesn't want them. They cannot get jobs, obtain housing or in many cases survive strictly through primal means. It is a self fulfilling prophecy that many in the quest for elected status have greatly manipulated.

As for the "food" thing, you have usually proven to be a guy that looks into his comments, sometimes after making them. Do you have first hand accounting of where this food is coming from, who provided it, how it was paid for? I am truly just curious.

I appreciate you taking the time to respectfully respond!

What I can all but verify was done by "Migrants" based on it occurring within either the same block or within a block or two of the migrant "shelter" has been relatively minor such as drug dealing, theft/shop lifting, possible prostitution (not so "minor" if it is forced and underage), some vandalism, etc.
There is no way for me to know for sure if they are "legals" or "illegals" so you and/or anyone else would be right for calling me out on that.
Yes, absolutely I have witnessed crimes being committed by people of other races - and absolutely I feel MOST "Migrants" are NOT committing crimes.
I can't attest to ratios but I can differentiate between the Blacks committing crimes and the Migrants at the hotel/shelter. YES, of course there are White people who commit crimes too.
There was a LOT of crime committed by Black people in my neighborhood over the past 4 or 5 years. A LOT more than there was the first 5 years I lived in my neighborhood. The criminal activity seems to have died down a bit over the past 6 months or so but for all I know it's as prevalent as it was. At least no one has been shot in front of my building in the past year. That I know of.
Back to the Migrants, what we didn't have before the Migrants arrived was crime committed by Migrants. I don't know, maybe I should be saying shame on you to myself. It's just frustrating that tomorrow night I am planning on going to see a movie at 7:00pm and as you will see later in this post, I feel a need to wonder if I will be safe doing as such.

100% agree with your 3rd "paragraph". Perfect perspective by you.

In regards to the food thing. Great questions and points.
When the migrants first moved in the the hotel/shelter I pretty much stayed away. Then my curiosity got the best of me. I would see many people eating their meals outside in front of the hotel/shelter and on the sidewalks surrounding it. Blew my mind when I watched a van pull up with food from the grocery store down the block. It's kind of a "high end" grocery store. I saw prepared food that they sell at the deli counter such as lasagna, chicken, etc. which you can kind of see in the photos in this link. Pasta salad, egg salad, whatever.
http://bockwinkels.com
Before I saw what they were being fed and eating, I thought maybe they were getting something such as bologna or "lunch meat" sandwiches and fruit like the church near us gives to the homeless people. Then would go by the hotel/shelter every few days and I saw the migrants were eating as well if not better than I was. $20+ pizzas, more food from Bockwinkle's, containers of Chinese food from this place - which you can see isn't cheap. https://www.minghincuisine.com/streeter ... um=website all sorts of fairly expensive food.
GRANTED, as you you said/asked "how it was paid for"...... I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bockwinkle's and Ming "donated" food and/or some wealthy "donors" bought the food for the people in the shelter. I mean, the kids ride bikes that are as nice as the bikes the kids in affluent suburbs ride so my guess is those were donated. I don't have a problem at all with the migrants being fortunate that others are so generous. I would never want to see a "good person" go hungry, be without shelter, have no warm clothing in the winter, etc. My BIG problem, like I said, is when it is given to the "bad guys".
Once again, as I said, "It's a very complex situation" and I have very mixed feelings.

P.S.
This is just one example of why I tell my mother I don't want her to get a cup of coffee and a donut at the Dunkin Donuts near me. It's sad.




This is why I am leery of going to see a movie, taking a walk, sitting in the park, whatever, in my neighborhood on a nice evening.

[randylahey]

Remain in Mexico. End the catch and release programs. We have illegals entering with a plan on what city they're going to. We have illegals getting houses apartments and hotels with expenses paid. We have illegals getting food stamps and cash. End the handouts

End the handouts for illegals should be priority #1. That's easy and common sense. No reason our tax dollars should be going to people that snuck in, while our citizens struggle

You bastards are still ignoring the non-brown-person part of this equation. How are you going to stop the demand for hiring undocumented workers? How many CEOs have you jailed? If you want to stop “illegals” priority #1 should be punishing those who illegally hire undocumented workers

I actually agree with you here. Punishing the companies/people employing illegals is a necessary part of stopping illegal immigration

[twocoach]

twocoach - yes.
Trad - yes.

Despite my agreeing with both of your posts/statements, I am going to share my mixed feelings and unpopular opinion/s.
I am absolutely in favor of people coming to this country for a better life. I am absolutely against those people coming to our country and committing crimes.
I feel the left minimizes the issue/s and the right maximizes the issue/s. I try to be somewhat in the middle but.... Realize, I am someone who has had negative interactions and have witnessed criminal acts from the "illegals". Sorry guys, it is inexcusable, indefensible, and unacceptable, to me.
Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not just "simple staples" - but food that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

I am against crime, be it done by immigrants or citizens.

I am for legal immigration. As a huge fan of our country and the freedoms it offers, I am proud that people in other countries believe that the US is a place where they can pursue their dreams safely. If we get to the point where living in America is no longer an upgrade from where they are coming from then we have truly fallen to new lows.

Yes, I would rather that we fund the necessary upgrades to our immigration system to quickly process asylum seekers so that we don't end up footing the bill to house and feed them. Is that money given to them helping to prevent desperate people from committing crimes to pay for food and shelter? Maybe. If it is then it's the better of the bad options. The best option still being to process them so they can either get to work legally to make money or to be deported. But that can only be done by spending money and hiring more people.

We aren't doing what needs to be done at the border for the long term. The world population is only going to grow. The climate south of us is only going to get hotter and drier and more ravaged by weather disasters. We can't keep kicking the right thing to the curb through all this political bickering.

Villefying immigrants doesn't help. Attaching immigration laws to funding for Ukraine and Israel doesn't help. We have too many unserious assists in Congress who are do-nothing big mouths. "All hat and no cattle" as Collin Allred rightly described Ted Cruz.

And thus will not improve until we vote MAGA fucks out of office. They have no brains, no ideas, no knowledge and no clue. They are there simply to obstruct the functioning of the government and we are all, Republicans and Democrats alike, worse off for it.

[twocoach]

Remain in Mexico. End the catch and release programs. We have illegals entering with a plan on what city they're going to. We have illegals getting houses apartments and hotels with expenses paid. We have illegals getting food stamps and cash. End the handouts

End the handouts for illegals should be priority #1. That's easy and common sense. No reason our tax dollars should be going to people that snuck in, while our citizens struggle

You bastards are still ignoring the non-brown-person part of this equation. How are you going to stop the demand for hiring undocumented workers? How many CEOs have you jailed? If you want to stop “illegals” priority #1 should be punishing those who illegally hire undocumented workers

I actually agree with you here. Punishing the companies/people employing illegals is a necessary part of stopping illegal immigration

100% agreed. And it has to hurt enough to make them stop, not just allow them to add a few more layers of buffer to shield them from responsibility.

[twocoach]

And the facts are. . . ? Not what the mayor says, but the actual, factual numbers?

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

[JKLivin]

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

You remind me of Kevin Bacon’s character in Animal House: “Remain calm. All is well! All. Is. Well!”

Duped.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

twocoach - yes.
Trad - yes.

Despite my agreeing with both of your posts/statements, I am going to share my mixed feelings and unpopular opinion/s.
I am absolutely in favor of people coming to this country for a better life. I am absolutely against those people coming to our country and committing crimes.
I feel the left minimizes the issue/s and the right maximizes the issue/s. I try to be somewhat in the middle but.... Realize, I am someone who has had negative interactions and have witnessed criminal acts from the "illegals". Sorry guys, it is inexcusable, indefensible, and unacceptable, to me.
Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not just "simple staples" - but food that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

I am against crime, be it done by immigrants or citizens.

I am for legal immigration. As a huge fan of our country and the freedoms it offers, I am proud that people in other countries believe that the US is a place where they can pursue their dreams safely. If we get to the point where living in America is no longer an upgrade from where they are coming from then we have truly fallen to new lows.

Yes, I would rather that we fund the necessary upgrades to our immigration system to quickly process asylum seekers so that we don't end up footing the bill to house and feed them. Is that money given to them helping to prevent desperate people from committing crimes to pay for food and shelter? Maybe. If it is then it's the better of the bad options. The best option still being to process them so they can either get to work legally to make money or to be deported. But that can only be done by spending money and hiring more people.

We aren't doing what needs to be done at the border for the long term. The world population is only going to grow. The climate south of us is only going to get hotter and drier and more ravaged by weather disasters. We can't keep kicking the right thing to the curb through all this political bickering.

Villefying immigrants doesn't help. Attaching immigration laws to funding for Ukraine and Israel doesn't help. We have too many unserious assists in Congress who are do-nothing big mouths. "All hat and no cattle" as Collin Allred rightly described Ted Cruz.

And thus will not improve until we vote MAGA fucks out of office. They have no brains, no ideas, no knowledge and no clue. They are there simply to obstruct the functioning of the government and we are all, Republicans and Democrats alike, worse off for it.

I'll keep it relatively short and simple.....
Great post.
But...... While I have my strong feelings about "MAGA fucks", I'm not so thrilled with today's Democratic Party.
Oh well.
A well known politician's relative said to me today - "What do I care who wins? I'm still going to go to dinner at the same places". He smiled and kind of laughed
Heck, he also said, "If I have to pay more taxes, I have to pay more taxes, nothing I can do about it" I was waiting for him to follow that up with a - "My life isn't going to be any different". If he said it, I hope he would/will be right, no matter who wins. Of course I hope that in regards to me and my life too.

[randylahey]

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

This has actually been confirmed even by mainstream sources. Some gangs have taken over a few complexes in Colorado and are extorting rent money from tenants. One employee of one if the complexes got the shit beat out of him for not complying and went viral

[JKLivin]

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

This has actually been confirmed even by mainstream sources. Some gangs have taken over a few complexes in Colorado and are extorting rent money from tenants. One employee of one if the complexes got the shit beat out of him for not complying and went viral

According to the bored brain trust, it’s only “a few” complexes, and “not that big a deal,” so don’t worry about it. If you do think it’s a problem, it’s because you are a xenophobe and a racist and a rube.

[zsn]

Remain in Mexico. End the catch and release programs. We have illegals entering with a plan on what city they're going to. We have illegals getting houses apartments and hotels with expenses paid. We have illegals getting food stamps and cash. End the handouts

End the handouts for illegals should be priority #1. That's easy and common sense. No reason our tax dollars should be going to people that snuck in, while our citizens struggle

You bastards are still ignoring the non-brown-person part of this equation. How are you going to stop the demand for hiring undocumented workers? How many CEOs have you jailed? If you want to stop “illegals” priority #1 should be punishing those who illegally hire undocumented workers

I actually agree with you here. Punishing the companies/people employing illegals is a necessary part of stopping illegal immigration

Why haven’t you or anyone of the anti-immigration peacocks taken any action against the employers? Not Abbott, not DeSantis, not Youngkin, not Noem. Are there no employers in their states who hire undocumented workers? Does that mean that there are no immigrants who work illegally?

[randylahey]

The mainstream media has actually covered the venezuelan gang takeover of apartment complexes. The left tries to deny and bury stories that inconvenience them, but eventually have to cover them

Here's an article about the employee they beat the shit out of

https://nypost.com/2024/10/14/us-news/a ... tort-them/

[Overlander]

“Mainstream Media”, then quotes the NY Post.


“The New York Post (NY Post) is an American conservative daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City. The Post also operates three online sites: NYPost.com;PageSix.com, a gossip site; and Decider.com, an entertainment site.“

[Overlander]

Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not simple staples - but I have seen the food - that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

I ask this with respect for you Gutter, I hope it is received as so.

I do not doubt your first hand accounts of crimes that you (or anyone else that lives in a high population/high traffic area) witness daily. Would your opinion be that what you witness first hand is verifiable as "illegal migrants" committing these crimes in a higher number than non-illegal migrants...or other races etc?

In my day to day, I interact with a large amount of people who don't speak english as their normal communication (russian, portugese, etc). If I witnessed them commit a crime, how would I know whether they were here legally or illegally? Is there an assumption of their status attained by the act itself?

In my opinion, not enough attention is being given to how many of these community crimes that are being committed by people with serious mental health issues, regardless of race or status. Funding for mental health was greatly diminished during the Bush years, resulting in many of the folks who could have sought out treatment to try to live in a social society that doesn't want them. They cannot get jobs, obtain housing or in many cases survive strictly through primal means. It is a self fulfilling prophecy that many in the quest for elected status have greatly manipulated.

As for the "food" thing, you have usually proven to be a guy that looks into his comments, sometimes after making them. Do you have first hand accounting of where this food is coming from, who provided it, how it was paid for? I am truly just curious.

I appreciate you taking the time to respectfully respond!

What I can all but verify was done by "Migrants" based on it occurring within either the same block or within a block or two of the migrant "shelter" has been relatively minor such as drug dealing, theft/shop lifting, possible prostitution (not so "minor" if it is forced and underage), some vandalism, etc.
There is no way for me to know for sure if they are "legals" or "illegals" so you and/or anyone else would be right for calling me out on that.
Yes, absolutely I have witnessed crimes being committed by people of other races - and absolutely I feel MOST "Migrants" are NOT committing crimes.
I can't attest to ratios but I can differentiate between the Blacks committing crimes and the Migrants at the hotel/shelter. YES, of course there are White people who commit crimes too.
There was a LOT of crime committed by Black people in my neighborhood over the past 4 or 5 years. A LOT more than there was the first 5 years I lived in my neighborhood. The criminal activity seems to have died down a bit over the past 6 months or so but for all I know it's as prevalent as it was. At least no one has been shot in front of my building in the past year. That I know of.
Back to the Migrants, what we didn't have before the Migrants arrived was crime committed by Migrants. I don't know, maybe I should be saying shame on you to myself. It's just frustrating that tomorrow night I am planning on going to see a movie at 7:00pm and as you will see later in this post, I feel a need to wonder if I will be safe doing as such.

100% agree with your 3rd "paragraph". Perfect perspective by you.

In regards to the food thing. Great questions and points.
When the migrants first moved in the the hotel/shelter I pretty much stayed away. Then my curiosity got the best of me. I would see many people eating their meals outside in front of the hotel/shelter and on the sidewalks surrounding it. Blew my mind when I watched a van pull up with food from the grocery store down the block. It's kind of a "high end" grocery store. I saw prepared food that they sell at the deli counter such as lasagna, chicken, etc. which you can kind of see in the photos in this link. Pasta salad, egg salad, whatever.
http://bockwinkels.com
Before I saw what they were being fed and eating, I thought maybe they were getting something such as bologna or "lunch meat" sandwiches and fruit like the church near us gives to the homeless people. Then would go by the hotel/shelter every few days and I saw the migrants were eating as well if not better than I was. $20+ pizzas, more food from Bockwinkle's, containers of Chinese food from this place - which you can see isn't cheap. https://www.minghincuisine.com/streeter ... um=website all sorts of fairly expensive food.
GRANTED, as you you said/asked "how it was paid for"...... I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bockwinkle's and Ming "donated" food and/or some wealthy "donors" bought the food for the people in the shelter. I mean, the kids ride bikes that are as nice as the bikes the kids in affluent suburbs ride so my guess is those were donated. I don't have a problem at all with the migrants being fortunate that others are so generous. I would never want to see a "good person" go hungry, be without shelter, have no warm clothing in the winter, etc. My BIG problem, like I said, is when it is given to the "bad guys".
Once again, as I said, "It's a very complex situation" and I have very mixed feelings.

P.S.
This is just one example of why I tell my mother I don't want her to get a cup of coffee and a donut at the Dunkin Donuts near me. It's sad.




This is why I am leery of going to see a movie, taking a walk, sitting in the park, whatever, in my neighborhood on a nice evening.

Thanks for reply and feedback.
It seems to me, like a lot of us, you have tainted views based on your individual experience. That is to be expected.

I had a significant amount of training in crisis mitigation and communications with people of varying personalities, background, beliefs and social class.

I tend to view individuals as exactly that, and go out of my way to not let pre-conceived notions cloud my thoughts.

We are all products of our environments, values systems and perceptions. You, me and everyone on this planet will likely have a different response to almost every encounter that we have.

I try to stay positive in my outlook and communications.

One piece of advice, I have found that a public proclamation that starts with verbiage such as “ migrants acting up in streeterville ...”, is going to prove out to be a source that is not working in the best interests of the greater good.

[Overlander]

My words of “wisdom” is this. There is a phrase “some people just want to see the world burn”.

If you cannot honestly say your are NOT that person…the you ARE that person.

[twocoach]

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

You remind me of Kevin Bacon’s character in Animal House: “Remain calm. All is well! All. Is. Well!”

Duped.

Why? Because I consistently point out when you make unfounded claims? Because I prefer to see a source on information that isn't "some source named "MAGAJohnny 12638" said the a video they shared was proof that a Venezuelan gang has taken control of an apartment complex"?

Sorry if I prefer to understand what it is I am consuming from an information perspective. I get how that would bother people pushing your message. I actively take steps not to be duped. You do not.

[twocoach]

The mainstream media has actually covered the venezuelan gang takeover of apartment complexes. The left tries to deny and bury stories that inconvenience them, but eventually have to cover them

Here's an article about the employee they beat the shit out of

https://nypost.com/2024/10/14/us-news/a ... tort-them/

Please don't ever refer to the New York Post as "mainstream media". That's a joke. Here's an article from a legitimate source of information, AKA the people who actually live there and report on events in the city:

https://www.denverpost.com/2024/08/30/a ... de-aragua/

[jfish26]

The mainstream media has actually covered the venezuelan gang takeover of apartment complexes. The left tries to deny and bury stories that inconvenience them, but eventually have to cover them

Here's an article about the employee they beat the shit out of

https://nypost.com/2024/10/14/us-news/a ... tort-them/

Please don't ever refer to the New York Post as "mainstream media". That's a joke. Here's an article from a legitimate source of information, AKA the people who actually live there and report on events in the city:

https://www.denverpost.com/2024/08/30/a ... de-aragua/

But it's worse than that.

Randy appears to be learning: you will see that he did not explicitly say that the NY Post was his "mainstream media" source - so he gave himself some deniability. Some room to gotcha his way out of your obvious, correct point.

Another development: you will see that he used the fact of mainstream media coverage of an issue as support for his claims regarding that issue - so he uses the existence of smoke as a means of supporting his claims about what caused the fire.

This is from the same broad family of disinformation tactics as what Baier tried to get away with last night (and was swatted down by Harris), when he used Trump's response to a question (which was not aired) as a means to avoid airing both the question itself AND (much more importantly) Trump's own words that caused the question to be asked in the first place.

Randy: you are not clever. You are not slick enough to get away with these tricks. If you want a conversation, then have it.

[JKLivin]

And from everything I have from legitimate sources, there are zero complexes controlled by Venezuelan gangs.

You remind me of Kevin Bacon’s character in Animal House: “Remain calm. All is well! All. Is. Well!”

Duped.

Why? Because I consistently point out when you make unfounded claims? Because I prefer to see a source on information that isn't "some source named "MAGAJohnny 12638" said the a video they shared was proof that a Venezuelan gang has taken control of an apartment complex"?

Sorry if I prefer to understand what it is I am consuming from an information perspective. I get how that would bother people pushing your message. I actively take steps not to be duped. You do not.

Your reply to Randy above says it all. You are duped because you look down your nose at other news sources and maintain that only yours are unbiased and valid, when anyone with a brain knows that they are owned, run, and staffed by people with an agenda. Just because that agenda to destroy America and hand us over to the globalists happens to align with yours doesn't make what they are saying true or good or right.

[KUTradition]

still lying

do better