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twocoach wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 7:05 am Trump was eviscerated by the host at a sit down at the Chicago Economic Club yesterday. He clearly has no real economic plan at all that stands any chance of making it through Congress.
Trump Crumbles When Pressed on Economic Policy in Tense Interview

The former president attempted to "weave" his way through an interview with Bloomberg News, but couldn't escape his own policy black hole

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 235134459/
Donald Trump continued his pre-election economic event tour on Tuesday with a lengthy interview with Bloomberg at the Economic Club of Chicago. It was a total mess.

Bloomberg Editor-In-Chief John Micklethwait did not take it easy on Trump, and it quickly became clear that the former president has no conception of the mechanics of or the potential ramifications of the economic platform he’s running on. Bluntly, the former president was incoherent when pressed with real questions about his policies.

Micklethwait spent most of the interview attempting to break Trump out of what the former president repeatedly referred to as “the weave,” his term for his rambling digressions — with ever-decreasing intelligibility — and general inability to focus on a given topic for more than a few seconds during his rallies and interviews.

Micklethwait didn’t weave along with Trump, however, repeatedly working to bring him back on topic and answer the actual questions. The grilling exposed Trump’s total cluelessness with regard to his own economic policy, and led Trump to attack Micklethwait as biased.

Here are the most notable moments from the most rigorous round of policy questioning Trump has been subjected to in recent memory.

Trump gets schooled on tariffs

The central pillar of Trump’s economic plan is widespread tariffs on all imported goods, with penalties appearing to increase depending on how much he dislikes the country. Economists have warned that such a policy could have devastating effects on American consumers, who would be saddled with increased costs for all imported goods.

When questioned about the specifics of his plan, and if he was aware of its pitfalls, Trump seemed ignorant of basic economic principles, insisting that other countries, not American consumers, would pay for the tariffs.

Micklethwait tried to explain the actual impact. “Three-trillion worth of imports and you will add tariffs to every single one of them, and push up the cost for all of these people to buy foreign goods,” he said. “That is just simple mathematics.”

Trump countered that he was “always good at mathematics,” and that high tariffs — and thus costs — would force companies to move production into the United States.

“That will take many, many, many years,” Micklethwait said, to which Trump replied that high enough penalties would make the move immediate as if companies could simply wand wave production plants, orchards, wineries, factories, and the like into existence.

The former president also insisted that his tariff proposal would not result in the loss of jobs that are dependent on trade, because companies that moved to the U.S. would not be subject to the tax. “All you have to do is build your plant in the United States and you don’t have any tariffs,” he said.

Trump gets frustrated and bashes the interviewer

Micklethwait’s attempts to keep Trump on topic earned him no grace from the former president, who hates few things more than being contradicted.

When Micklethwait asked Trump to address a report by The Wall Street Journal estimating that his economic proposals would raise the national debt by upwards of $7 trillion, the former president fell back on his standard playbook: bashing the interviewer.

“What does The Wall Street Journal know? They’ve been wrong about everything, and so have you by the way, you’ve been wrong,” Trump replied, crossing his arms and curling into his seat.

“You’ve been wrong all your life on this stuff,” he added.

Trump responds to a question about Google by ranting about voting in Virginia

One theme of the interview was Trump totally avoiding giving straight answers to the questions Micklethwait asked him. The most egregious example came when Micklethwait asked Trump if he believes the Justice Department should break up Google.

Trump responded by sighing and ranting about Virginia’s voter rolls. “The question is about Google, President Trump,” Micklethwait replied. Trump then went on a spiel about how Google is unfair to him and doesn’t show users any positive stories about him.

Trump claims immigrants would kill an audience member when asked how deportations will affect the job market

When Micklethwait noted that Trump’s plan to deport 11 million undocumented workers would have a large impact on the American economy — as many undocumented migrants participate in the labor force — Trump immediately pivoted to crime.

“It came out last week that 125,000 people are horrible criminals at the highest level,” Trump said and repeated a false claim that more than 13,000 undocumented migrants convicted of murder had been released into the country by the Biden administration. “We’ve had the best numbers but now we have the worst numbers and here is the problem, we have some of the worst criminals in the world coming in,” he added.

“The issue I asked you about was the idea if you reduce immigration — every economist will tell you — if you have fewer people, there is a smaller economy,” Micklethwait interjected after Trump ranted about murderous migrants for several minutes. Trump continued and at one point singled out a member of the audience, calling her a “beautiful woman.”

“They will look at you — down [there] a beautiful woman — they’ll look at you and they will kill you,” he said.

An exasperated Micklethwait noted that the crime rate has actually gone down under Biden.

Trump responds to a question about how he’d cut government spending by talking about Air Force One

At one point in the conversation, Trump, after speaking at length about rockets, reiterated his past assertion that he would nominate billionaire Elon Musk to his government and put him in charge of cutting wasteful spending and regulations. When asked by Micklethwait to give an example of how he would cut waste, Trump pointed to the remodeling of Air Force One.

Trump is unable to say how he’d help small businesses

Trump’s tariff proposal could be a disaster for small businesses that rely on imports. Micklethwait noted that when Trump imposed a tariff on Chinese imports while he was in office — one that is smaller that what he is proposing for a second term — he helped Apple deal with the ramifications, giving them a deal. Micklethwait then asked Trump how he would help companies that aren’t so big. Trump was unable to provide a response, repeatedly bringing up how he helped Apple despite Micklethwait’s efforts to get him to address small businesses.

Trump doesn’t deny he’s been talking to Putin since he left office

Journalist Bob Woodward reports in his new book War that Trump has spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin multiple times since leaving office. Trump’s team denied this, but Trump declined to do so himself on Tuesday, telling Micklethwait that he won’t comment on it, but that if he did talk to Putin it would “be a smart thing.”

Trump mocks autoworkers

Trump argued that his tariffs will lead Mercedes-Benz to start building in the U.S., arguing that now they build everything in Germany and their cars are only assembled in the U.S. He doesn’t seem to have much respect for the autoworkers at these “assembly” plants. “They take them out of a box and they assemble them,” Trump said. “We could have a child do it.”

Trump says Jan. 6 riot was filled with “love and peace”

Trump tried yet again to rewrite history about Jan. 6, 2021, when a mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. He said on Tuesday that it was a “peaceful transfer of power,” accused Micklethwait of being biased against him for asking the questions, and reiterated that he believes the 2020 election was “crooked.”

“It was love and peace,” Trump said of Jan. 6. “Some people went to the Capitol and a lot of strange things happened there, with people being waved into the Capitol by police,” he added, nodding to conspiracy theories that the federal government helped orchestrate the riot to make Trump and his supporters look bad.

Trump claims his rambling is strategic

At one point, after Trump spent minutes meandering through multiple trains of thought in response to a question about the American dollar’s status as an international reserve currency, Micklethwait attempted to interject into his rambling. Trump wasn’t happy.

“You have got to be able to finish a thought because it is very important,” Trump said.

“You’ve gone from the dollar to [Emmanuel Macron],” Micklethwait countered.

OK then.
Screaming into the void, but: if Biden stood around and swayed to music for 39 minutes and slurred the word "insurrectionist," Rs would be calling for the invocation of the 25th. If Harris cut off questions at a town hall to have a dance party and then had a policy meltdown like this, Rs would follow Trump right along in calling her "retarded." If Soros had spent $75mm in Q3 alone supporting Trump while suppressing negative information on X, Rs would accuse Soros of censorship (and also personally killing Jesus, besides).

And yet, as gutter ably (but unnecessarily) shows, there is absolutely NOTHING that will make any of these people look in a fucking mirror about what they are supporting.
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i recommend you all watch it

it’s something else
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:24 am i recommend you all watch it

it’s something else
What's hilarious is as Gutter pointed out, the MAGA humps are trying to sell some sort of "Trump schooled them" shtick.
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KUTradition wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:24 am i recommend you all watch it

it’s something else
It is very smart that Harris/Walz have started SHOWING these clips.

People need to be made to confront the reality that Trump is very obviously deeply unwell. And then Harris/Walz need to connect the dots to a President Thiel, I mean President Elon, I mean President Vance.

Again, the Dan Brown shit is WAY more plausible on one side of the fence than it is on the other.
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Damn, Allred coming in like a linebacker. Cancun Ted must be feeling those shots this morning.
Democratic Rep. Colin Allred dished out plenty of one-liners Tuesday while debating Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, calling his podcast “angertainment” and labeling Cruz’s anti-trans messaging a “hail Mary” to distract from his unpopular opinions on abortion.

In one particularly memorable exchange, Allred told voters that his rival in the U.S Senate race would rather focus on transgender athletes because he “wants you thinking about kids in bathrooms so you’re not thinking about women in hospitals.”

Allred, representing Texas’ 32nd Congressional District since 2019, went after Cruz for supporting the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and highlighted the consequences of that outcome for Texans.

“You should look into the camera and speak to Kate Cox, who’s watching right now, and explain to her why you said that this law that you said is perfectly reasonable—why she was forced to leave her two children behind and flee our state to get care that she needed,” he told Cruz, referencing the Texas woman who had to sue her state to block its abortion laws after the fetus she was carrying developed a fatal condition. Cox ultimately had to seek care elsewhere after the Texas Supreme Court ruled against her.

“Or,” Allred continued, “look into the camera and talk to Amanda Zurawski, who’s watching right now, and explain to her why it’s perfectly reasonable that, because she had a complication in her pregnancy and was denied care so long, that she may never be able to have children of her own. Or to the 26,000 Texas women who’ve been forced to give birth to their rapist’s child under this law that you called ‘perfectly reasonable.’”
In the end the rubes gonna rube. But I like seeing the thin skin of deflection peeled off Ted for everyone to see what's going on in there.
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japhy wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:19 am Damn, Allred coming in like a linebacker. Cancun Ted must be feeling those shots this morning.
Democratic Rep. Colin Allred dished out plenty of one-liners Tuesday while debating Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, calling his podcast “angertainment” and labeling Cruz’s anti-trans messaging a “hail Mary” to distract from his unpopular opinions on abortion.

In one particularly memorable exchange, Allred told voters that his rival in the U.S Senate race would rather focus on transgender athletes because he “wants you thinking about kids in bathrooms so you’re not thinking about women in hospitals.”

Allred, representing Texas’ 32nd Congressional District since 2019, went after Cruz for supporting the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and highlighted the consequences of that outcome for Texans.

“You should look into the camera and speak to Kate Cox, who’s watching right now, and explain to her why you said that this law that you said is perfectly reasonable—why she was forced to leave her two children behind and flee our state to get care that she needed,” he told Cruz, referencing the Texas woman who had to sue her state to block its abortion laws after the fetus she was carrying developed a fatal condition. Cox ultimately had to seek care elsewhere after the Texas Supreme Court ruled against her.

“Or,” Allred continued, “look into the camera and talk to Amanda Zurawski, who’s watching right now, and explain to her why it’s perfectly reasonable that, because she had a complication in her pregnancy and was denied care so long, that she may never be able to have children of her own. Or to the 26,000 Texas women who’ve been forced to give birth to their rapist’s child under this law that you called ‘perfectly reasonable.’”
In the end the rubes gonna rube. But I like seeing the thin skin of deflection peeled off Ted for everyone to see what's going on in there.
Getting Ted Cruz out of office would be a big step towards ridding Congress of these MAGA cucks. Cruz has openly sold out his constituents to suck up to Trump, even after Trump ridiculed him, his wife and his family. Fingers crossed for Allred.
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At least we can all agree, japhy deserves it:

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Fuck Yeah!

They shot and missed me again!

When you get done cleaning up yer yard you should come up to KC and help me count my money. I will buy you lunch and we could smoke some rec weed on the back patio.
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But transgenders in sports! Think of what is really important.
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Shirley wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:47 am At least we can all agree, japhy deserves it:

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(If you earned your $100mm+ in wealth, then almost CERTAINLY you began making estimated tax payments a very long time ago. And fundamentally, very much on TOP of this only applying to jumbo-rich people, that's all this is.)
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:00 am
Shirley wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:47 am At least we can all agree, japhy deserves it:

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(If you earned your $100mm+ in wealth, then almost CERTAINLY you began making estimated tax payments a very long time ago. And fundamentally, very much on TOP of this only applying to jumbo-rich people, that's all this is.)
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JKLivin wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:55 pm
jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:00 am
Shirley wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:47 am At least we can all agree, japhy deserves it:

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(If you earned your $100mm+ in wealth, then almost CERTAINLY you began making estimated tax payments a very long time ago. And fundamentally, very much on TOP of this only applying to jumbo-rich people, that's all this is.)
Did they pinky swear? 'Cause I trust the government to keep its promises.
Since it’s Greatest Hits day, apparently, I will say what I said last time this particularly dumb slippery slope argument was made: bringing this threshold down to even $10 million would result in the Ds getting demolished in elections.

Given that the Ds (who might be alone here as between the two parties) actually plan on there being real elections going forward, your slippery slope fear on this point is unreasonable.
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jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:01 pm
JKLivin wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:55 pm
jfish26 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:00 am

(If you earned your $100mm+ in wealth, then almost CERTAINLY you began making estimated tax payments a very long time ago. And fundamentally, very much on TOP of this only applying to jumbo-rich people, that's all this is.)
Did they pinky swear? 'Cause I trust the government to keep its promises.
Since it’s Greatest Hits day, apparently, I will say what I said last time this particularly dumb slippery slope argument was made: bringing this threshold down to even $10 million would result in the Ds getting demolished in elections.

Given that the Ds (who might be alone here as between the two parties) actually plan on there being real elections going forward, your slippery slope fear on this point is unreasonable.
Real elections? You guys aren't gonna cheat this time around? I'll believe it when I see it.
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Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Every single thing Trumps "Team" has done for the past 8 months has been to sow seeds for legal challenges of an election they know he can't win.

Example...Trump harped about early and mail in voting, until Bannon explained to him that if he could build a lead with early voting, he could claim "victory" well before polling was completed. They are both on record as saying that Trump almost did this in 2020. There is no reason to trust that he hasn't fine-tuned this tactic over the past 4 years.
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from what i’ve seen of early voting metrics, dems are leading substantially
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Dims are panicky because they know they are going to get their asses beat mercilessly. Real Americans are sick of this crap and are going to send a resounding message on Election Day. The self-loathing soy boy woke dupes are going to be in for a rude awakening, and I will be laughing all the way.
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JKLivin wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:49 pm
Real Americans
End of credibility.
Are we not ALL of us Americans?
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Overlander wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:49 pm
JKLivin wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:49 pm
Real Americans
End of credibility.
Are we not ALL of us Americans?
Apparently, some are more American (Murcan?) than others. One example might be Columbus. Greatest Murcan Who Never Came to Murca (TM).
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zsn wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:50 pm
Overlander wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:49 pm
JKLivin wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:49 pm

Real Americans
End of credibility.
Are we not ALL of us Americans?
Apparently, some are more American (Murcan?) than others. One example might be Columbus. Greatest Murcan Who Never Came to Murca (TM).
1984 all over again.
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