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Uh, What Was That?

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-delusi ... the-donald
Back in January, the great McKay Coppins wrote a piece for the Atlantic titled “You Should Go to a Trump Rally.” The idea was that secondhand media accounts don’t really do justice to the perverse spectacle of lies, threats, and grievances. You’ve got to experience one for yourself to truly appreciate it.

Here’s a corollary suggestion: You should watch the interview Trump did yesterday at the Economic Club of Chicago. You might think you’ve got a pretty good idea of the big guy’s solipsism, his buffoonish overconfidence, his utter inability to engage on matters of policy. Watch a few answers, and you’ll be forced to conclude: It’s way worse than you thought.

Bloomberg News editor-in-chief John Micklethwait began by asking Trump simple questions, like how he plans to pay for the $7 trillion hole his proposals would blow in the federal deficit. Trump responded with his ordinary magical thinking about making that sum back through a combination of growth and tariffs. “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariff,’” he said. “It’s my favorite word . . . the most beautiful word.”

Micklethwait asked how Trump planned to follow through on his promises of trimming the fat of wasteful spending. Trump responded with a lengthy story about him personally spending months negotiating with Boeing over a contract for new planes to serve as Air Force One, which ultimately saved the government more than a billion dollars. A cool story—until you remember the federal government spends an average of nearly $17 billion a day.

It takes a certain amount of ego and delusion to run for president. Trump has those characteristics in excess. But what stood out at the talk yesterday was the degree to which these are now the only elements undergirding his vision. Gone is the talk about surrounding himself with the best people. Dropped is the pretense that his answers are coherent. (Trump has started referring to his meandering logorrhea as “the weave.”) The pitch instead is that some sort of mad genius remains within him: Trust me, I’m the deals guy! I’ll get the best deals!

But there’s a lot more to guiding the economy than dealmaking, and even the most capable, hard-nosed, mano-a-mano negotiating with individual vendors can only take you so far.

Consider another question he got on antitrust policy. Permit me to quote verbatim. I want you to get the full effect.
MICKLETHWAIT: The U.S. Justice Department is thinking about breaking up Alphabet, as Google likes to be known now. Should Google be broken up?

TRUMP: [heavy sigh] I just haven’t gotten over something the Justice Department did yesterday, where Virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes. And the Justice Department sued them that they should be allowed to put those bad votes and illegal votes back in and let the people vote. So I haven’t, I haven’t gotten over that. A lot of people have seen that. They can’t even believe it.

MICKLETHWAIT: But the question is about Google, President Trump.

TRUMP: Yeah. Look, Google’s got a lot of power. They’re very bad to me. Very, very bad to me. I mean, I can speak from that standpoint. They only have bad stories. In other words, if I have 20 good stories and 20 bad stories—and everyone’s entitled to that—you’ll only see the 20 bad stories. And I called the head of Google the other day, and I said, I’m getting a lot of good stories lately. But you don’t find them in Google. I think it’s a whole rigged deal. I think Google’s rigged, just like our government is rigged, all over the place.

MICKLETHWAIT: You would break them up, in other words?

TRUMP: I’d do something. You have to have—look, I give a lot of credit. They’ve become such a power. It’s such a power. And you gotta give ‘em credit for that. How they became a power is really the discussion. At the same time, it’s a very dangerous thing, because we wanna have great companies. We don’t want China to have these companies. You know, China is a very powerful, very smart group of people . . .
This talk of China led to a brief, equally unintelligible exchange on Trump’s flip-flops on whether the government should force a sale of the Chinese-owned app TikTok. A few minutes later, Trump abruptly resumed his rant about Google’s coverage of him:
TRUMP: I think [TikTok] is a threat. I frankly think everything’s a threat. But sometimes you have to fight through these threats. You know, you can’t—just like Google. I’m not a fan of Google. They treat me badly. But are you gonna destroy the company by doing that? If you do that, are you gonna destroy the company? What you can do without breaking it up is make sure that it’s more fair. They do treat me very badly. Oh, and he told me, “No way. You’re the number one person on all of Google for stories.” Which probably makes sense, to be honest with you. I actually believe most of ‘em are bad stories. But these are minor details. And it’s only bad because of the fake news. ‘Cause the news is really fake. That’s the one we really have to straighten. We have to straighten out our press, because we have a corrupt press.
The state of antitrust policy is in major flux in America right now, in large part because Trump began a break from a heap of old GOP orthodoxies. And yet it’s painfully clear that he is wholly incapable, not only of sharing his opinion on that matter, but even of forming thoughts about it. He hears “Justice Department,” and his brain short-circuits to a screed about voter rolls. He hears “Google,” and his mind scuttles over to the nearby topic he actually cares about: the jerks at the company who (supposedly) keep suppressing all the good stories about him.

Trump considers himself an elite negotiator who thinks the best solution to every policy problem is to get the people responsible into the Oval Office so he can give ‘em the old Art of the Deal treatment. But he’s also an egomaniacal buffoon who is hilariously vulnerable to being buttered up by anybody he’s negotiating with. He’s already pledged to hand over huge swaths of the government to Elon Musk. He’s changed multiple positions based on meetings with donors. He may be one of the world’s easiest marks.

And that’s what makes him dangerous too. Micklethwait seemed to be getting there when he noted that business people like certainty and the rule of law. Would Trump commit, this year, to respecting and encouraging a peaceful transfer of power?

“Well, you had a peaceful transfer of power,” Trump replied.

“A peaceful transfer of power compared with Venezuela,” Micklethwait said. “But it was by far the worst transfer of power in a long time.”

Here Trump said, in effect: What, nobody’s allowed to protest anymore? “You take a look at the Democrats, they protested 2016. They’re still protesting it. Nobody talks about them. But if we protest, we want to have honest elections.” He both minimized his crowd’s violence and vilified the officer who shot a rioter at the vanguard of the mob:
Not one of those people had a gun. Nobody was killed except for Ashley Babbitt. She was killed. She was killed. She was shot in the head by a policeman that had no—what he did was horrible. So I think we should be allowed to disagree on that. And obviously you see, by the reaction in this room, there’s a lot of other people that feel . . .
It’s plain Trump hasn’t budged an inch from his initial reaction to the insurrection, that the rioters were virtuous and patriotic. But note that last bit: “the reaction in this room.” Routinely in his questions, Micklethwait appealed to the hard-minded business sensibilities of those in the audience. Recall, after all, the venue: the Economic Club of Chicago, where business leaders had assembled to hear Trump speak. Micklethwait plainly thought what the group wanted was what he wanted: sensible, penetrating discussion of Trump’s economic policy thought.

But what the audience really wanted was Trump. They hooted along to his grievance mongering. They applauded his standard nonsense about other countries loading their convicts and mental patients onto buses and shipping them to the United States. They dug all that garbage about the election.

Listening to it, it was hard to miss: The rot that’s infected GOP voters goes all the way to the top.
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"Pernicious"...that sure is a purdy word.

I'll bet you even look refined when you says it.

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‘Visibly Showing Disgust’: Trump Town Hall Audience Wasn’t Buying His ‘Stream Of Lies’
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trump is now apparently the “father of IVF”

i don’t know who lies more, him or psych
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:02 am trump is now apparently the “father of IVF”

i don’t know who lies more, him or psych
What's funny is that he also said he had to have Katie Britt explain to him what IVF even was. That I assume is a conversation he just had this year.
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twocoach wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:40 am
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:02 am trump is now apparently the “father of IVF”

i don’t know who lies more, him or psych
What's funny is that he also said he had to have Katie Britt explain to him what IVF even was. That I assume is a conversation he just had this year.
a 2-minute conversation

fortunate that Britt was attractive enough to maintain his attention that long
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KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:42 am
twocoach wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:40 am
KUTradition wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:02 am trump is now apparently the “father of IVF”

i don’t know who lies more, him or psych
What's funny is that he also said he had to have Katie Britt explain to him what IVF even was. That I assume is a conversation he just had this year.
a 2-minute conversation

fortunate that Britt was attractive enough to maintain his attention that long
Unfortunately, all he got out of the conversation was "I'd do her if she makes the mistake of being in a room alone with me".
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:48 am
Ramblings of a man who should be in a psych ward.
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audience plants? sure looks like it

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-undeci ... 56440.html

one of the women was even wearing her republican delegate hat

event billed as undecided women voters…sure it was
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No apologies, no remorse, no self reflection....full speed ahead!
Former President Donald Trump participated in a town-hall-style event with undecided Latino voters on Wednesday night, facing a series of tough questions as Americans have begun casting early ballots across the nation.

Ramiro Gonzalez, a Florida Republican, gave Trump a chance to “win back” his vote after he said he was disturbed by the former president’s actions on and after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

“I am a Republican,” Gonzalez, a construction worker, told Trump during the Univision event. “I want to give you the opportunity to try and win back my vote. Your action, and maybe inaction, during your presidency and the last few years sort of … was a little disturbing to me. What happened during Jan. 6 and the fact that you waited so long to take action while your supporters were attacking the Capitol.”

He went on to voice concerns that some in Trump’s orbit, namely his former vice president, Mike Pence, no longer supported him.

Trump rejected that any notable portion of his supporters had broken with him and then launched into a series of falsehoods surrounding the Jan. 6 insurrection while claiming there was “nothing done wrong at all” and “nobody was killed.”

“You had hundreds of thousands of people come to Washington. They didn’t come because of me, they came because of the election,” Trump said, discounting his efforts to inflame his supporters after his loss to Joe Biden. “Some of those people went down to the Capitol — I said, ‘peacefully and patriotically.’ Nothing done wrong. At all. Nothing done wrong.”

The former president then criticized Democrats and said they “couldn’t get me,” as he’d done nothing wrong. Trump has, in fact, been indicted twice on felony charges related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

He said Wednesday night that he believed many people remained tremendously loyal to his presidential bid, including Latinos.

“Maybe we’ll get your vote,” he added to Gonzalez. “Sounds like maybe I won’t, but that’s OK, too.”
Nothing done wrong, complete vindication! It was perfect!

Some people are saying it was the greatest insurrection ever!
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"peacefully and patriotically."

Not even close to what he was screaming that day.
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Nailed it.
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Cuban is absolutely destroying Trump right now in La Crosse. Great stuff! Unfortunately 99%+ of Americans aren't watching this.

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1djGXrZOmVvxZ
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After the 2020 election, Mitch McConnell quietly rebuked Donald Trump. Behind the scenes, McConnell slammed Trump as a “despicable human being,” a “narcissist,” and “stupid as well as being ill-tempered.”

These piercing, on point criticisms of Trump, and many more, are set for release on October 29 in a new biography of the Senate Republican leader. One week before Election Day, a great deal will be revealed.

Sneak Peek: After Biden won the 2020 election and the Electoral College certified the presidential vote, McConnell admitted privately “it’s not just Democrats who are counting the days” until Trump left office, and that Trump’s behavior “only underscores the good judgment of the American people. They’ve had just enough of the misrepresentations, the outright lies almost on a daily basis, and they fired him.”
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Shirley wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:22 pm Image

After the 2020 election, Mitch McConnell quietly rebuked Donald Trump. Behind the scenes, McConnell slammed Trump as a “despicable human being,” a “narcissist,” and “stupid as well as being ill-tempered.”

These piercing, on point criticisms of Trump, and many more, are set for release on October 29 in a new biography of the Senate Republican leader. One week before Election Day, a great deal will be revealed.

Sneak Peek: After Biden won the 2020 election and the Electoral College certified the presidential vote, McConnell admitted privately “it’s not just Democrats who are counting the days” until Trump left office, and that Trump’s behavior “only underscores the good judgment of the American people. They’ve had just enough of the misrepresentations, the outright lies almost on a daily basis, and they fired him.”
Fuck Mitch McConnell. No one had a better chance to rid this nation of Trump than McConnell but he chose instead to guard his own power. He is a spineless piece of shit.
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jfish26 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:18 pm
um, wow
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I couldn't agree more, twocoach.

He knew better, but put party and power before country, and let this cancer on our society fester.
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^^^
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