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[twocoach]

You guys are smarter than me. Does a candidate having rigged polls in their favor help the candidate more or hurt the candidate more - and why?

You can make an argument for either. But I think it is being done because the real polls have her leading so they can prop this nonsense Polymarket poll as an example of their "we only lost because it's rigged" argument.

[jfish26]

And of course, it’s a robbing Peter to pay Paul thing.

[twocoach]

Agreed. Maybe it depresses turnout knowing they have such a lead. Maybe it motivates those with a "more, more, more!" attitude. But I honestly think it is just being done to seek "look what I did for you" favor with Trump to win attention and praise to get an audience to eventually seek an expected reward.

[JKLivin]

Attention must be paid eh? Shut off the house lights.

Overlander evokes more of the “I’ve always believed that if a man was impressive and well-liked that nothing . . .” vibe to me.

Never made an attempt to impress anyone. Although I have clearly made quite the impression on you.

You're constantly trying to impress. It's obvious and obnoxious. I'm also not surprised that you can't see it.

[jfish26]

And it all comes from the super dangerous YOLO mentality they’re bringing to this anyway: they’re going to declare victory no matter what, and whether or not they actually win is not especially relevant.

[JKLivin]

Overlander and JK being assholes to each other. Again. And Again. And Again. And Again.
The not funny thing is that while I admit it makes me roll my eyes and is semi annoying, I admit I do laugh at some absurd unaware things they post about themself and each other.

I agree that it is absurd, and I've tried to refrain. Some people I've just determined to ignore; others, however, have proven to be so egregious that I refuse to let them slide. It's ridiculously simple: leave me alone, and I leave you alone; address me respectfully and I will extend the same courtesy.

[JKLivin]

I'm not sure how we live on the same planet, speak the same language, are theoretically both capable of reading and writing.....and you've somehow come to the conclusion you have with any justification.


He did nothing for the economy, that's a myth perpetuated by people who can't read and don't understand economics. How's that wall going....how many Pesos did Mexico chip in?

Funny, but the only people I know of who keep saying that are the same ones who keep insisting that we’re doing great economically now and that having 10 million + illegals running around is actually good for our nation. That pretty much tells me all I need to know.

Maybe a bunch of us chose better careers…better partners… better investments.

We don’t have to hate women, brown people, people who have more assets…because we made our own way and left the likes of you in our wake.

It really seems to bother you what I do for a living. It definitely bothers you that I have never had a partner cheat on me. And it definitely bothers you that no matter how superior in intellect that you claim to be… no matter how strong you pretend to be, you project a sad and pathetic image to all here.

Well, except Randy. You are clearly smarter than him.

The only thing that bothers me about you is that you are, at your core, a bully. You expect - even demand - to be able to treat others cruelly and contemptuously and not get the same in return. I refuse to stand by and act like that is okay.

[KUTradition]

it’ll be no different, locally, than it is now - psych and randi posting lies like they’re going out of style

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

You guys are smarter than me. Does a candidate having rigged polls in their favor help the candidate more or hurt the candidate more - and why?

in this particular instance, i think it serves to set up the narrative that benefits trump should he lose…it provides “evidence” of Dem shenanigans

i can’t think of another instance (not involving trump), where there was the appearance of such things

Yes

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

And it makes Trump feel better.

Yes

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

You guys are smarter than me. Does a candidate having rigged polls in their favor help the candidate more or hurt the candidate more - and why?

You can make an argument for either. But I think it is being done because the real polls have her leading so they can prop this nonsense Polymarket poll as an example of their "we only lost because it's rigged" argument.

Yes.
But - Are there no "real" polls that have Trump leading? I typically try to pay attention to polls but I have lost interest in polls after the Trump/Hillary debacle.

[KUTradition]

nationally?

i haven’t seen one

one might claim Rasmussen, but i hardly consider that poll unbiased

edit: fwiw… https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

but even if the national polls were “right”, that hardly matters (much like the eventual popular vote). swing state polling, and results unfortunately, are all that matters

[twocoach]

You guys are smarter than me. Does a candidate having rigged polls in their favor help the candidate more or hurt the candidate more - and why?

You can make an argument for either. But I think it is being done because the real polls have her leading so they can prop this nonsense Polymarket poll as an example of their "we only lost because it's rigged" argument.

Yes.
But - Are there no "real" polls that have Trump leading? I typically try to pay attention to polls but I have lost interest in polls after the Trump/Hillary debacle.

Who knows, I dont find them to be relevant. They haven't been accurate in either of the last 2 elections.

[jfish26]

The polls are fine for what they are. But they also leave a lot on the cutting room floor, and so at this stage they’re not especially useful.

[twocoach]

Every year, a larger percentage of citizens refuse to answer calls from unknown numbers so polls will grow unceasingly meaningless as time passes unless they do them via a website, which can be easily duped and manipulated.

[jfish26]

Yep. And (as another example) polling by its nature doesn’t pick up new voters. I think it is very reasonable to expect that new voters will be strongly disproportionately Harris/Walz.

[japhy]

I met my MO State Rep today. She knocked on my door and introduced herself, Rep. Jamie Johnson. We talked for about 15 minutes and I told her we voted for her in the 2020 election and would again this year.

It wasn't until I shut the door that I remembered the 2020 race. She was running against an R ultra-MAGA jackass who I know well. We figured he would win in a red county in a red state. But the Dem black woman who had never run for office before, won in a 90% white, red voting county. Hopefully she pulls off the upset again.

[twocoach]

2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

MICHIGAN
51,463 Votes for Stein
10,704 Trump’s lead over Clinton

PENNSYLVANIA
49,941 Votes for Stein
44,292 Trump’s lead over Clinton

WISCONSIN
31,072 Votes for Stein
22,748 Trump’s lead over Clinton

Just a reminder what voting “third-party” gets you.

[TDub]

oh bullshit. if no one ever votes for a third party we will never have a 3rd party option. Vote for what you think is right..fuck the intimidation shit.

[Overlander]

2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

MICHIGAN
51,463 Votes for Stein
10,704 Trump’s lead over Clinton

PENNSYLVANIA
49,941 Votes for Stein
44,292 Trump’s lead over Clinton

WISCONSIN
31,072 Votes for Stein
22,748 Trump’s lead over Clinton

Just a reminder what voting “third-party” gets you.

Just as Steve Bannon planned. The Trump campaign pumped tons of money into the Jill Stein campaign to get that result.